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(if u can)Hoh, servers are not empty 24/7 although they are not full 24/7 either. The game will absolutely be dead if you advertise it as a dead game everywhere. Those kind of ideas are really ideas at all. The amount of players doesn't increase if you just give the licenses. Players must to be interested about the game to play it continuously.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Otherwise in few weeks game will be dead
Ippon-wazaari wrote:According to me...
I don't even remember when this sentence was said for the first time...Otherwise in few weeks game will be dead
This will happen for sure if you go in demo servers and you say "this game sucks" to demo players (as you did today).Ippon-wazaari wrote:Otherwise in few weeks game will be dead
I agree, but JGG should think about price. 20$ is too much. New players aren't going to buy a game like this (like demo version shows) for 20$. Did you know that demo players don't know that there are organised cups, that there are game's mods, rankings etc etc? Game's potential is not used in the right way.Hengari wrote:The amount of players doesn't increase if you just give the licenses. Players must to be interested about the game to play it continuously.
Yes, the problem nowadays is that we have not enough demo players. When I started playing TS (June 2005) demo server was always full. Playing with demo version was fun, a lot of fun. Then I noticed about cups and other things for full version, so I decided to buy it. But still, cups should have an in-game dedicated space. Demo players don't know anything.Hengari wrote:Advertising in game forums and sites is better idea. And to have demo players to register there should be some place where there are information of "official" cups for full version players that demo players see that there are much more to the game than playing in demo servers.
) So you said it a year ago but the game is still kicking... Also pretty strange that at irc u just said that it was ivan who said a week ago that he's bored, so little generalization here maybe? Why wouldn't I criticize if I think the idea sucks? I know you are trying to keep the game alive, you have organized many cups lately, but still it ain't good promotion to say to demo players that the game sucks.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Dragon: i told it 1 year ago (more or less)....and U ALL told me that you are TIRED of this game....so pls instead of criticise my ideas do something else....I m just trying to keep this game alive because i think it is good but no enough new players joins!!!!
again......i ll write it againdragonstar wrote:So you said it a year ago but the game is still kicking... Also pretty strange that at irc u just said that it was ivan who said a week ago that he's bored, so little generalization here maybe? Why wouldn't I criticize if I think the idea sucks? I know you are trying to keep the game alive, you have organized many cups lately, but still it ain't good promotion to say to demo players that the game sucks.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Dragon: i told it 1 year ago (more or less)....and U ALL told me that you are TIRED of this game....so pls instead of criticise my ideas do something else....I m just trying to keep this game alive because i think it is good but no enough new players joins!!!!
read it more carefully!!!Game is getting good again: many players are coming back and are showing up online again (Ojis, JiMmiE22o2, ilippi...).Ippon-wazaari wrote: 1 Game is not good now.....servers are 23h day empty
Yes, there is a lack of demo players. And you aren't working in order to increase demo players' number. You weren't joking in TheDude server today. Or, at least, we didn't notice the joke.Ippon-wazaari wrote:3 Idead of more demo players don t sux....all is better than now
4 I didn t say demo players that game sux...i spoke in ITALIAN to an ITALIAN guy....and we simply joked....mg.....
Two different things, the game and the number of players. To have more players it necessarily doesn't mean that you have to change something in the game. The game is good, it just needs more players. The way to get more players is another thing, new demo-mode, new advertisement methods or something else, that I don't know.Ippon-wazaari wrote:1 Game is not good now.....servers are 23h day empty
So you think ivan speaks on behalf of the whole finnish community?2 Ivan told WE are bored (refering to finnish comunity....ask him logs...he have them)
I guess you mean more demo players is good? Sure, but giving away free licenses like that, think again. Whether the game is freeware or it isn't. I understand that you want more players, but imo giving licenses for free ain't the solution, that would make some people quite unhappy I believe. They would be thinking "why I had to pay for it and now they are giving it away for free".3 Idead of more demo players don t sux....all is better than now
Ah, okey. I just got another idea of what dede said4 I didn t say demo players that game sux...i spoke in ITALIAN to an ITALIAN guy....and we simply joked....mg.....
Exactly! And we have examples that who got a license for free (some 1.x beta tester) isn't enjoying the game and playing in the right way (please don't ask about this..). Giving free licenses to everyone would be a way to kill the game, definitively:dragonstar wrote:"why I had to pay for it and now they are giving it away for free".
Wow you make it sound as if they all had billions of dollars huge prifate offices and doznes of topless secretaries. Ok maybe it's just me.... too much TV not enough TS.brainless JGG directors
Thats a good point, i have seen newbies under attack before - thats one way to drive someone away from the game. When i first started, i almost quit after a punaball match - it was my first one and i had no idea what i was doing, so one person was unloading insults.xzeal wrote:Haven't we gone over this like a million times? For a moment it seemed as we all agreed that we needed a new demo version. It seems to me that things are even moving towars that at the moment.
A bit larger problem is the hostility towards several newbies and that is up to us. Especially on punaball servers. So they are new and they haven't even heard of "team work", every other exüerienceed pballer starts yelling "WTF you doing", "you ass", "omg you suck" etc. Alright, i know some of you are just ebing sarcastic, but they don't. Well with racing it isn't such an issue, but punaball has the most active servers in Europe.
Yeah, thanks.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Hey guys....let s give some ideas to brainless JGG directors and to keep game alive....
Think at it JGG....
Anyone is free to start a TS site, we even host a server and give a domain for free. We make a special build of the game where you earn a nice cut of all sales. You make it sound like it would be easy to find players if the brainless directors did something about it (I'll have to find those guys one of these days and kick them out of our penthouse office). So there you have it - show me what you will do. Please. I'm very interested, and will even support you however I can.Gimme 1000 new demo players....
and with only 1 site see what i will do!!!!
wowow....3 old players play game again while 100 are quittingdede wrote:
Game is getting good again: many players are coming back and are showing up online again (Ojis, JiMmiE22o2, ilippi...).
We??? u weren t theredede wrote: Yes, there is a lack of demo players. And you aren't working in order to increase demo players' number. You weren't joking in TheDude server today. Or, at least, we didn't notice the joke.
Exaclty...perfectly agree with u!!!Dragon wrote: Two different things, the game and the number of players. To have more players it necessarily doesn't mean that you have to change something in the game. The game is good, it just needs more players. The way to get more players is another thing, new demo-mode, new advertisement methods or something else, that I don't know
No, of course...but no one told differently!!!Dragon wrote: So you think ivan speaks on behalf of the whole finnish community?
maybe...I m more unhappy when i see empty serversDragon wrote: I guess you mean more demo players is good? Sure, but giving away free licenses like that, think again. Whether the game is freeware or it isn't. I understand that you want more players, but imo giving licenses for free ain't the solution, that would make some people quite unhappy I believe. They would be thinking "why I had to pay for it and now they are giving it away for free".
np...dede wasn t there!!!Dragon wrote: Ah, okey. I just got another idea of what dede said
For me it seems that nothing is changing....It would be nice if a new demo mode starts....(also if all agree on it)xzeal wrote: Haven't we gone over this like a million times? For a moment it seemed as we all agreed that we needed a new demo version. It seems to me that things are even moving towars that at the moment.
Uhm...i can stop telling it....but it will happen anyway!!!mouse wrote: BTW this game wont be dead in a few weeks........
...and saying that it will so damn often does not help either. Remember that Hatu is advertising this forum - when someone enters and sees "this will be dead soon" they wont stay!
!!! ....U re signed also for 6 nations punaball tournament and u hadn t played a single match yet!!! second that. thanks for the brainless comment though :/creator wrote:Yeah, thanks.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Hey guys....let s give some ideas to brainless JGG directors and to keep game alive....
Think at it JGG....
Anyone is free to start a TS site, we even host a server and give a domain for free. We make a special build of the game where you earn a nice cut of all sales. You make it sound like it would be easy to find players if the brainless directors did something about it (I'll have to find those guys one of these days and kick them out of our penthouse office). So there you have it - show me what you will do. Please. I'm very interested, and will even support you however I can.Gimme 1000 new demo players....
and with only 1 site see what i will do!!!!
And just so you know, we get about 10k downloads for TS per month, so 1000 demo players isn't all that hard to get. The sales percentage is pretty good compared to other games, the biggest problem is that TS really needs a constant flow of new games all the time, quite unlike single player games...
So? If I'm not there you feel free to say those type of things??Ippon-wazaari wrote:We??? u weren t there
Also 1 italian player was there: MIRO and he went out after it....so no one knows what i tell after...and OBVIOULSY i was joking!!!
This is pretty interesting. So the biggest problem is to get those players to play the game. Maybe more (official?) cups or leagues could do the trick? But those leagues should be well advertised. Something like ingame messageboard or links to this forum or some other page where you could see all the cups/leagues and results?creator wrote:we get about 10k downloads for TS per month, so 1000 demo players isn't all that hard to get. The sales percentage is pretty good compared to other games, the biggest problem is that TS really needs a constant flow of new games all the time, quite unlike single player games...
But this will require a big mod of the game.. I don't think Ande is going to implement (already suggested)..dragonstar wrote:This is pretty interesting. So the biggest problem is to get those players to play the game. Maybe more (official?) cups or leagues could do the trick? But those leagues should be well advertised. Something like ingame messageboard or links to this forum or some other page where you could see all the cups/leagues and results?
it is an idea...after my exam i ll post some more interesting!!!dragonstar wrote:This is pretty interesting. So the biggest problem is to get those players to play the game. Maybe more (official?) cups or leagues could do the trick? But those leagues should be well advertised. Something like ingame messageboard or links to this forum or some other page where you could see all the cups/leagues and results?creator wrote:we get about 10k downloads for TS per month, so 1000 demo players isn't all that hard to get. The sales percentage is pretty good compared to other games, the biggest problem is that TS really needs a constant flow of new games all the time, quite unlike single player games...
Are we sure about statistics? If they download the game, at least a 30% of them should be playing online, but I can't notice 30 new demo players either. What does this mean?creator wrote:And just so you know, we get about 10k downloads for TS per month, so 1000 demo players isn't all that hard to get.
Considering the number of active players, there are too many servers. If we would shift to just one server (including both demo and registered), I believe that would be frequently full of players.Ippon-wazaari wrote:According to me HUGEST PROBLEM now is that server are 24hours/day EMPTY!!!!
Basically I think that giving away a massive number of licenses is not a very good idea. I mostly agree with the justifications given by dede. Moreover, the point expressed by dragonstar that "why I had to pay for it and now they are giving it away for free" is valid, that's how many people surely think, even though I do not sign that myself. Giving free licenses to make the game more enjoyable does not cost a penny for me, instead that would be an additional value of the money I once invested into the game.Ippon-wazaari wrote:Also give for free 1000 licenses would be better than nothing
Yes, he is fast, but I don't think he is very addicted. Anyways, giving free licenses to players like him wouldn't be a like idea. Did he do something important for the game? Is he racing costantly and much online? I really don't think so.mikko wrote:One such person is silcir, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, like visiting this forum and replying to Waza's messages.mouse wrote:Waza waza waza......i have told you, dede, B4 and others so many times - i am not signed for the 6 nations cup. Again - i am NOT PLAYING IN IT.
BTW i have not been playing because i have other important things to do.
Yes, license must be earned. Whether you pay for it or you earn it by some cup or something similar. It's quite hard trying to decide who has played enough to earn the license just because of that.dede wrote:To normal players they can be assigned in case of winning demo cups or contests, for example.
