Track Making Competition 2007 Part II+

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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:23 pm

DBY did not have a track?

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Post by Keppana » Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:57 pm

Thanks :evil: Next time you sould send WORKING track which means that all required files are included in package, now I had to hunt files around the sliders directory. Now it is there.

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Post by Keppana » Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:14 pm

The preview cup in on tomorrow, clock 21 finnish time.

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Post by Limp-pu » Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:02 pm

Damn. I'd like to take part in the race, but it seems that I can't come tomorrow. :(
Anyway, have fun you all!

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Post by dede » Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:38 pm

Jan didn't send me any macro, so you'll have to set up the server manually. Have fun, probably I won't be there.

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:24 am

i might not be able to come depending on what time it is if 6-8 pm her ill be a football practise hmm ill find out what time it is for then

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Re: Track Making Competition 2007 Part II+

Post by Etmil » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:35 pm

Okay, I drove 4 laps with every default car in every competition track and rated the 'compatibility' for every car with every track. Like: how good is it to drive this track with this car? how smoothly does it flow? and so on. I made notes of likes and dislikes in every track. So, here goes, comments + my personal rating system results.

Anddru: Mini-Craash | score [14/25]
There are obviously too many turns that go right, like all except the last one, which is a minus. It is definitey meant for rough racing, and for that it's a decent track. The tyre idea is good, but the scenery lacks something..

Ippon²-dede: de_Ficionte | score [18/25]
Seems worse at first sight than it really is. Obviously a racing track, but would benefit from 1-2 high speed corners. I definitely loved driving my Speeder through Ficionte, don't know why, but it was the only track that got 5/5 for Speeder. Difficult to find right driving line with EasySlider and Slider. Pitstop area seems odd..

Janne: Jn_Anizca | score [21/25]
Perfect for EasySlider! Loved the smooth flow and fast speed of the track. Scenery is well-done as is the pitstop area. Good variety of corners make a really fine drive for basically any car, including my favourite AntiSlider. Nothing bad to say. Thumbs up!

Keppana: k-Desert_Oasis | score [19/25]
A decent track, although a bit repetitive with its corner choices. Best to drive, ironically, with Spinner, but fairly good with AntiSlider and Easy, too. Pitstop is good. Scenery could have something more. Best part of the track is the last sector, starting from the tight U-turn in the bottom right corner and until the start/finish line.

[Flow]Limp-pu: Limp_Watery | score [16/25]
A bit TOO watery.. flows smoothly, though and good to drive with Easy. The track doesn't exactly shine with anything, but is decent for every car. Scenery could be a lot better..

[URL] Scorpio: URL_Ice_Vally | score [18/25]
The track is VERY good to drive with EasySlider and Slider, but the 'all white' scenery is a bit disturbing whilst racing. Seems monotonic. It could be all wintery, but with some objects, anything.. there are some missing asphalt issues and.. where is the grid? :( Track shape seems like one of the default tracks, it's fairly good.

VPA: VPA_WheelchairBeast | score [15/25]
Difficult 1st corner :( Especially with Speeder and Slider. Scenery is fairly good. Overall the track could be a lot better, judged by VPAs real trackcreating abilities. Trackshape is a bit odd.. I don't know.. perhaps it just doesn't suit my driving style :|

my votes, then:

1. Jn_Anizca [5 pts]
2. K-Desert_Oasis [3 pts]
3. de_Ficionte [1 pt]

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Post by dby » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:50 pm

Jeffrey wrote:DBY did not have a track?
I had one entered (http://hem.spray.se/dby/ts/DbyRallyCross-Virago.zip) but decided I didn't want to wait with the release when the deadline was moved. I hoped to make another track but didn't find the time. :(

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:43 pm

hmmm

1.Dede's track

2.Janne

3.VPA


Etmil my track is called Snow valley for a reason lol Snow valley
includes alot of snow and a ice pit and i use the track for a rough cup

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Post by Jan » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:32 pm

dede wrote:Jan didn't send me any macro
I sent you macro yesterday by e-mail... But still I think I can set it up manually though. See you at 21:00 finnish time then! :)

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Post by Keppana » Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:19 pm

Selection for 3 best tracks was not easy, but here is my selections.

1. Limp_Watery; Enjoyable track to race. I like the natural feel of the track and the challenging of fast curves.
2. Jn_Anizca; Track for good races and forgives driving mistakes. The chicane would more tight.
3. de_Ficionte; Tight track, too hard for speeder or slider, not giving mercy for mistakes. An interesting pit entrance. de_Best is still the best of dede.
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4. VPA_WheelchairBeast; Another good track from VPA, but this time didn't make way to top three. First corner, a lot of crashes.
5. Et_Eldenare; Track would be a bit better without a long back straight. Pit entrance is in the interesting place, but does not give advantage when shortcutting.
6. And_Mini-Craash; This could be good track for crash/rough racing.
7. URL_Ice_Vally; Not very special track, long straights gives too much advantage for faster cars. There is too much unused graphics so it is almost a shame to use external graphic tiles.

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Post by VanhaPuinenAuto » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:43 pm

1. Limp_Watery
Nice long track, i really can feel the flow when i drive this :) Would be good track for fuel cups with lot of laps.

2. Eldenare
Fast, works with any car. Would be good for fuel cups too.

3. Mini-Craash
Good track for rough cups except those tires were too near of road imho.


Overall level of this competition was very high, almost all tracks were very good. I hope that Jarno and Keppana and others keeps up good work so we could see such competitions in future too ;)

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Post by dede » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:29 pm

Jan wrote:
dede wrote:Jan didn't send me any macro
I sent you macro yesterday by e-mail... But still I think I can set it up manually though. See you at 21:00 finnish time then! :)
Yep, sorry, saw that now. I didn't check e-mails yesterday night. I'm sorry, again.
I'll try to test tracks tomorrow (though it could be quite hard). I hope to vote because I noticed some great track (basing from the images), for example Keppana's and Etmil's (well, of course, Janne always makes great tracks, except that bounch of tracks in the Racing Trackpack by Hengari). Limppu's one seemed interesting though it looked strange. Surprised that my track got so high votes.

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Post by dede » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:27 pm

Well, I found some time to test all tracks with all cars and vote them. About 2 hours, but here we go:

Anddru: Mini-Craash | score [5/25]
EasySlider | score [1/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Slider | score [1/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Speeder | score [1/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
AntiSlider | score [1/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Spinner | score [1/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
It's a track made for rough racing and fun racing.

Etmil: Et_Eldenare | score [14/25]
EasySlider | score [2/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Slider | score [2/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Speeder | score [4/5] | Very good track, but some obstacle is too close to the track.
AntiSlider | score [2/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles (they are way too close to the track).
Spinner | score [4/5] | Good, but damn those obstacles..
It looked better in the screenshot. Lacks a bit of precision on positioning objects and tiles.

Ippon²-dede: de_Ficionte | score [6/25]
EasySlider | score [1/5] | Some parts aren't really drivable (obstacles are way too close to the track).
Slider | score [0/5] | It seems this track is not built for Slider-racing.
Speeder | score [1/5] | Almost a 2, but with Speeder that tunnel on the main straight is really bad.
AntiSlider | score [2/5] | More drivable, but those obstacles..
Spinner | score [2/5] | More drivable, but those obstacles..
Nice design and track shape, plus a good pitlane idea (though it's not optimized at all). Quite hard to define it a "racing track".

Janne: Jn_Anizca | score [25/25]
EasySlider | score [5/5] | Perfect track for easyslider.
Slider | score [5/5] | Just perfect.
Speeder | score [5/5] | Dom di dom... still perfect.
AntiSlider | score [5/5] | I'm gonna be repetitive: perfect. The middle part is a bit annoying.
Spinner | score [5/5] | The middle part is a bit annoying, but still perfect.
Very well designed, very good shape.

Keppana: k-Desert_Oasis | score [15/25]
EasySlider | score [3/5] | Almost a 4, but in some curve obstacles are too close to the track.
Slider | score [3/5] | In some curve obstacles are too close to the track.
Speeder | score [2/5] | In some curve obstacles are too close to the track.
AntiSlider | score [4/5] | Almost perfect, but couple of curves have obstacles too close to the track.
Spinner | score [3/5] Good, but those obstacles..
It looked better in the screenshot. Bad choice adding those trees to the first curve. Possible bounces.

[Flow]Limp-pu: Limp_Watery | score [21/25]
EasySlider | score [4/5] | Close to be perfect, I didn't like that guard rail dividing the track from the pitlane. Way too close to the track.
Slider | score [5/5] | Perfect.
Speeder | score [4/5] | It deserved a 5, but that guard rail...
AntiSlider | score [3/5] | Not designed for AntiSlider, but still drivable.
Spinner | score [5/5] | Perfect. I noticed that the starting grid isn't where it is supposed to be.
It looked better in the screenshot.

[URL] Scorpio: URL_Ice_Vally | total score [14/25]
EasySlider | score [3/5] | Good easysliding, though that ice makes it a fun track.
Slider | score [3/5] | Good track. With Slider I noticed some obstacle too close to the track.
Speeder | score [4/5] | Very good speeder track.
AntiSlider | score [1/5] Very annoying.
Spinner | score [3/5] Not bad, but last straight is quite long and annoying.
Track shape is quite good, but it can't be defined a "racing track". This is more like a "fun track". A different scenary (grass, no ice, etc) could've helped this track making it for the top3.

VPA: VPA_WheelchairBeast | score [17/25]
EasySlider | score [2/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles in a couple of curves (they are way too close to the track).
Slider | score [3/5] | Quite hard driving close to the edges and avoiding obstacles in a couple of curves (they are way too close to the track). But after all, a good track for slider.
Speeder | score [4/5] | Very good track.
AntiSlider | score [4/5] | Very good track.
Spinner | score [4/5] | Very good track.
It looked worse in the screenshot. Very good landscape, but track could've been better. Trees dividing track from pitlane are too close to the track.


Shortly said:
1. Janne: Jn_Anizca | score [25/25]
2. [Flow]Limp-pu: Limp_Watery | score [21/25]
3. VPA: VPA_WheelchairBeast | score [17/25]
4. Keppana: k-Desert_Oasis | score [15/25]
5. [URL] Scorpio: URL_Ice_Vally | total score [14/25]
5. Etmil: Et_Eldenare | score [14/25]
7. Ippon²-dede: de_Ficionte | score [6/25]
8. Anddru: Mini-Craash | score [5/25]

I didn't vote for the landscape, though I think a good track should have a good landscape as well. Good landscapes by Janne, Limp-pu, VPA, Etmil and me. But well, landscapes don't make any change to the drivability of the track, so landscapes didn't bring any extra points to those tracks.

Congratulations to Janne, he really had no opponents for this competition. Limp-pu didn't have opponents as well, but he wasn't close to Janne's level. VPA, Keppana and Etmil will battle for the last spot on the podium. Good luck :)

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Post by Etmil » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:16 pm

I see you've used my system of rating as well. Anyway, I partly agree with you on the 'landscape doesn't change drivability', then again, [no offense Scorpio] it really annoyed me when I was basically driving a grey line on a totally white background. If we don't pay any attention to the scenery and landscape, then that's what it becomes: a random line existing.. nowhere? That's why I still think that a beautiful scenery can add a lot to a track, and combined with an interesting track 'shape'.. it will make a perfect racing circuit. I'm just a lot more realism-oriented than perhaps others. Real-life racing circuits include much more than just the asphalt-laid track, there are grandstands, parkings etc. That's what I've been trying to do.. with default tiles [knowing you will mention Jazzyclub's realistic tracks, they look awesome yeah, but I'm just trying to do all this with default stuff]. Anyway, just my thoughts. You can reply, you can not - your decision.

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Post by Tijny » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:47 pm

My votes:

1. Jn_Anizca
Awesome track, nothing else to say. Thumbs up!

2. Et_Eldenare
Good track with a nice scenery. I'm not too fond of the really long straight, a little more could have been done with that. Still, 2nd place from me.

3. Limp_Watery
May not look as "professional" as some of the other entries, but offers great drivability with any car. Might be a little too long for my taste though, hence the 3rd place.
Etmil wrote:That's what I've been trying to do.. with default tiles [knowing you will mention Jazzyclub's realistic tracks, they look awesome yeah, but I'm just trying to do all this with default stuff].
That's the kind of attitude a trackmaker should have! :)

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Post by Anddru » Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:26 pm

Not because I think my track is very good, but I have seen people giving it bad votes because it's Rough Race track. Should it have to be a Serious Race track? Just asking :)
In my new website you can find my tracks and cars!
http://druerne.org/ts

Hope you will enjoy!

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Post by Keppana » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:26 pm

Anddru wrote:Not because I think my track is very good, but I have seen people giving it bad votes because it's Rough Race track. Should it have to be a Serious Race track? Just asking :)
Don't worry. Thought mine track was getting good points, but reality striked from the clean sky when we was playing it on multiplayer. As on ghost mode wanking it would work, eh. Your track is ok, it's a racer's hell but a dream for rough racing.

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Post by dede » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:31 pm

Etmil wrote:I see you've used my system of rating as well.
Yes, it looked good. But it takes a lot of time testing all tracks with all cars.
About the landscape, I completely agree with you. I wouldn't select Scorpio's track for my tournaments. Drivability is as much important as landscape. Here we go with three examples:

1) Janne's track was perfect: a real racing track with a lot of details (and default tiles!)
2) Limp-pu's track was very drivable, but it didn't have a racing-friendly landscape (quite hard focusing on the car with that blue of the sea all around the track)
3)my track had many details, but it wasn't drivable at all

My ratings aren't considering the landscape (I wanted to vote only for tracks drivability).
Andrru wrote:Not because I think my track is very good, but I have seen people giving it bad votes because it's Rough Race track. Should it have to be a Serious Race track?
I decided to vote following only one criteria: drivability as racing track. Maybe I shouldn't have included your track in my votes since it doesn't match with the category I'm voting for. It's like comparing a PunaBall track with a racing track. Anyway, feel free not to consider my votes if I voted in the wrong way.

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Post by Limp-pu » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:32 pm

U Yeah!
I drove slider, cause that's what I do.

[URL]_Ice_Vally: 6/10
Unfinished. Nothing special. No much flow( long fast slides). Still drivable.

Et_Eldernare: 7-
The way those houses and rocks are rotated makes me feel dissy, seasick. really.. anyone else having this problem? long minus for that. Some obstacles too close to the track. OK profile with some nice corners, but no flow.

K_Desert_Oasis: 7+
Curves are too tigth to keep up the flow for slider. Also obstacles are too close to track. Basic good.

Mini-Craash: 7 ½
Not really comparable with others, because of different racing-style. In rough-tracks this kind of "rough" style works just fine. There could be something between road and tires. Basic good rough-track.

De_Ficionte: 8-
Unforgiving. those tires are way too close. For slider, those shicanes stops the speed and kills the flow. Elsewhere there's nice flow, ecpecially in bottom-rigth-part of the track, which i like very much.

VPA_WheelchairBeast: 9
Very nice. I like the style VPA uses. Looks brigth :) Those few close obstacles are just good, because they are in a rigth place making it special. They add some exitenment to the track. Profile is very good and flowy.

Jn_Anizca: 9½
Super! far enoug obstacles. Super flow that lasts trough whole track (except finish line). Only thing missing is the track-fingerprint. Something special to make it remembered from. It could be a curve or basicly anything. Something to wait for while racing. hence not 10 points.

so:
1: Jn_Anizca
2: VPA_WheelchairBeast
3: De_Ficionte

Im glad to see so many good tracks, making this kind of cup possible. I really enjoy this competition and hope to see it happen again too. Thanks to Jarno and Keppana for organising.

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Post by wazaari » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:04 pm

My votes (without having tested any tracks...)

1 Anddru
2 Dede
3 Scorpio

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Post by Punatiainen » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:19 pm

Etmil wrote:
That's what I've been trying to do.. with default tiles [knowing you will mention Jazzyclub's realistic tracks, they look awesome yeah, but I'm just trying to do all this with default stuff].
That's exactly the way to go :)

I would have also been enthusiastic to participate the competition, unfortunately i didn't finish my track in time. But looking forward to next competition.

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Post by mikko » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:19 pm

1. Jn_Anizca

Clear winner. Janne really has become a top racing track maker.

Tough selection with the other podiums places but some too long straights help my decision, so:

2. K-Desert_Oasis
3. Limp_Watery

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Post by Keppana » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:22 pm

Punatiainen wrote:I would have also been enthusiastic to participate the competition, unfortunately i didn't finish my track in time. But looking forward to next competition.
Where was you, I was also waiting your track. What comes to future, maybe next competition would be on december with winter themed tracks.

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Post by Janne » Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:37 pm

1. Et_Eldenare
2. Limp_Watery
3. De_Ficionte

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