TurboSliders.com F1 League 2011 Edition

Pingu · Post by **Pingu** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:12 pm

Nice to drive a race again

Started off nice with quickly a gap behind me, then many mistakes which made me loose time and 1 deadly crash in the iron pole

Gave way to all after that.

Then first pitstop, wooplaa into the dirt

Next time during practice, some pit lane practice

. When coming out of the pits lots of danger, I made evading actions but I coudnt avoid Kyna (i think?) in the end anymore... i think this was kinda unanavoidale , i have to look back how it really was...

,,

My two last stints where very nice

But shy tricked me into making a 3 stopper (jking), think 2 stopper was faster in the end. Very nice though to be back in the pack

Edit: lol, typed above way to fast :p Sorry for the english

Post by **Tijny** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:21 pm

I made 5 pit stops, 3 in the pits and 2 in the sand in the pit lane. That pretty much sums up my race, looking at the final gap to the winner that might have cost me the victory. Next time I'll wank the pit lane too during the warmups.

Jaykoq · Post by **Jaykoq** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:24 pm

Jaykoq wrote:See RESULTS here.

Drivers standings (actually it is all, change sheet below title):
http://tinyurl.com/TurboSliders-F1-2011-official

Updated.

Impressions:
Qualy - I didn't expect much from this race, I just wanted to grab few points.
It was ok, first few laps were total catastrophe, but last ones were fast.
Race - I tried to drive consistant laps, tried to do as little mistakes as I could. There were few minor fights with Lexx and Lux I think, but in the end, I saw dede's car in sand, creating circles. He came back online just when I was few seconds ahead. I really tried to keep him behind me (sry if I was too rough), but he meneged to pass me few corners before end. Fantastic move, overtake was like Hakinnen and Schumacher in Spa (someone was in our way).
Nice race

ps. I hope I did well with this points, yell at me if something is wrong.

lux2 · Post by **lux2** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 pm

It was not the track of my dreams.
That double hairpin was like a hammer on my balls.

An example of race I would have skipped with last year ww rules. One more positive thing of unreleased tracks.

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:26 pm

So Pro race:

Qualified 19.th (Whiplash didnt even bother).

So the first couple of laps were fine, I was driving carefully as I knew any places I gain would be from others crashing.
Ok fastforward to lap 3 and then I actually start racing, but the problem was I didnt have a "feel" for the track yet so I failed miserably + one warp which made me go straight in a turn at full speed. The result I am last (well whiplash retired at one point so 19.th).
So I am just crusing along, no pressure, try to do a few faster laps and then I realize how bad worn tyres are at around lap ~20. So I pit figuring I am last no need to try to stretch this into a 1 stopper, lets have some fun. So there I am - still last - enjoying the new tyres letting those showoffs lap me so I could enjoy cruising around the track at my own pace.
10 or so laps later I have pretty much forgotten this is a race. I do my last pit around 13 or so laps before the end - I drive a few laps and find kikiri ahead of me and I am closing in. That was a massive WTF moment. I think he had a nervous breakdown - he was driving all over the place, obviously pushing hard, luckily for me - way too hard. He went constantly wide ended up on the grass tried to cut a corner too much etc. etc. and somehow I found myself in 18.th.

I would be lying if I said I am happy with the result, but I did not like the track - especially the tight chicanes at the bottom right. I always lost too much time there.

Anyway I got plenty of excuses for my poor result, but in the end I just got to face it - I suck.

Ivan Drago · Post by **Ivan Drago** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:40 pm

Jaykoq wrote: Points (actually it is all, change sheet below title):
http://tinyurl.com/TurboSliders-F1-2011-official

You can remove Ivan Drago from the list as you already have Drago there, and I'm driving F1 under that name.

Lanz · Post by **Lanz** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:54 pm

till the end i couldnt believe that i was really 1st after catching pom and mike due to bad tyres in my last stint! seeing dede parking was also not a bad thing!

but i never thought i could win against T even i saw him both times making picnic in pitlane!

2stupid mistakes made me thinking thats impossible to even think about beating one of those pros around!
at first i crashed in a green car that was parking in pits! very sorry for that! keyboard issue made me loose control! i was first when that happened and for sure i lost some time there wich made me came out after pits behind dede and some others! never good for fresh tyres! few laps later i crashed into that fence in the chicane! from then on i had a pretty good pace! at the end i had to deal with some red car also! good job shy! 2stopper wasnt a bad choice still i felt that i was terrible slow in the end of my first 2stints! anyway great race on one of my home gp!

sad that i didnt made more tracks for that wonderful competition!

kikiriki · Post by **kikiriki** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:03 pm

I do my last pit around 13 or so laps before the end - I drive a few laps and find kikiri ahead of me and I am closing in. That was a massive WTF moment. I think he had a nervous breakdown - he was driving all over the place, obviously pushing hard, luckily for me - way too hard. He went constantly wide ended up on the grass tried to cut a corner too much etc. etc. and somehow I found myself in 18.th.

i was really annoyed by that time already as i sucked so much, i was driving all over the place

I was too high i guess + i dont have much f1 experience yet, rookie race might be better for me

i'm sorry if i ruined some peoples races by akwardly letting them through, usually i ended up in the sand

Post by **Mike Nike** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:07 pm

track:
not too hard, just that slow left-right part nerved me a little bit, since people could easily crash into each other

quali:
coulda stopped after lap 4 or so, but it felt like i didnt have much practice yet, so i was going for 4 more laps of practice instead of caring to have a "high fuel+good lap"-combi - and it felt like i could get way more used to the track due to these few extra laps. though i accidently finished lap 8 after making a mistake in that lap. that was a waste...
i was planning to go on a 1stopper, even dede or someone said 2stops should it be.
although that track looked like 2 stops might be a little faster, maybe, due to the long straights, i still didnt see the huge advantage yet.

race:
startplace 8, i got lucky to get 4th with a high 46% startfuel compared to the 20-30s of me in front. in addition shyguy kinda hold dede back.
in lap 8 i could even manage to get 3rd.
i unfortunately realized soon what the huge advantage of a 2stopper might have been - i was losing energy, ffs! even i had a quick look over the rules, i didnt really noticed the rule about damage etc.
so...with a certain slowdown i was quite messed up.
anyway, not much happened, i probably did 1 mistake going offroad in first 20 laps or so...which didnt cost a lot, the rest was safe not too slow driving.
lap 20 i got a smallish block by hev in a situation where i could hardly avoid driving into him without braking, maybe. not a big thing though.
lap 22 my one and only pit, which i practiced in warmup 2 successfully. unfortunately i probably lost 1-2 sec there by driving into the sand, probably just like tijny did.
lap 24: t came out of pits, tried to let me space, drove offroad, i tried to let him space too and drove offroad too^^
lap 34: drove into pom or popo...not a big thing though, probably
lap 38: little accident with lanz, i was actually totally relaxed until like lap +-35, until i saw i was actually leading the race and it looked like i had a chance to win the race (obv not with the damage of the car) and i wasnt relaxed anymore at all^^. lol...then i saw lanz coming, i was like on 20 percent fuel, he 21, - very close calculated on my side - but i had like 47 percent energy and he 87 and he was eating up the space like in notime.
i was smelling hed take the inner door, wanted to close it, but got a tyre on the sand, lost speed, tried to close the door, but too late - instead i kinda went offroad almost when lanz and me collided...bah -.-...i shoulda just let space instead
lap 39: kinda under pressure by the cars behind me, even they were not very close yet, i made a crash in the slow part, pom or so drove into me and i couldnt escape by driving forward - neither backward, until pom would have gone around me..so i was quite fked up there :E
lap 43,44: blocked by popowitch...but either way, emtil behind was flying and i was a damaged old car hoping to make it into the finish, so these blocks didnt really matter, i think..
lap 46: curve 1 etmil drove a very nice fair line there, well controlled..curve 2 he unfortunately pushed me a little bit, so i had to lift the gas in order to not go offroad...i think i shoulda just block him right after instead of letting him pass, just to take that advantage back, he kinda took. a little bit unfair it seems in the end, but probably he would have overtaken me in the lap anyway, sooner or later.

on the other side, etmil tried to give me space in 1 curve in the first stint or so and crashed in the slow part...considering he just tried to be fair there and let me space and just crashed due to the try giving me space, it seems fair, he ended up in front of me in the end.

pity dede and whip had bad luck with the connection etc...
lol @t for the pit mistakes^^
gg lanz for the win!
sry, i didnt check all the rules for first race..i kinda stood up at +-20cet

Post by **dede** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:18 pm

Not really a good start of the season for me, considering both organizing problems and the race. Sorry for the bad Rookie race advertising and the mistake with tyre wear. I hope these things won't happen again in the future.

About the race, I didn't really find a good line till 2nd stint. This means that Qualify went badly too (5th with low fuel). After first pit I catched Tijny and overtook him few laps later thanks to a mistake by him. I started driving constant and fast. I made a good gap between us. I kept pushing hard, because I knew I could've suffered a disconnection. Unluckily that came, and I couldn't reconnect for about 1 minute. At least I didn't need to make an extra pit, so I was still able to finish 14th (epic battle with Jay & Lexx!).

Congratulations to Lanz, first winner! I got surprised by Shyguy's speed too: I saw a red car driving fast next to me and I was like "WTF???" when I checked his name! Great job!

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Anyway, I officially decided to change the cup format. Pro&Rookie races will be played at the same time, in two different servers. Players will be split basing on a pre-qualifying session that will be played starting from 21:00 CET at Sundays. More details will come tomorrow.

Teams will be introduced from next race, points scored in first race will be counted too! We won't have any rules about those: you can team up with whoever you want, and teams can be as big as you wish. Top 2 finishers for each team in each race will score points for Team Championship.

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kikiriki gets 20sec penalty for not setting startfuel for the race: he started with 39% although he needed to set 21% - his position doesn't change as he was 19th.

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Race #1 Videos

shyguy1001 · Post by **shyguy1001** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:27 pm

Ahuahuahuhau so, you can have as big as you want but for all to get involved, you should really split them up? So could we have FUN team 1 Me + Lanz then FUN team 2 Popo + Arjen or something like that? Torro FUNo

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:17 pm

[quote="dede"]
Anyway, I officially decided to change the cup format. Pro&Rookie races will be played at the same time, in two different servers. Players will be split basing on a pre-qualifying session that will be played starting from 21:00 CET at Sundays. More details will come tomorrow.

Nooo... that means no more pro races for me

...

Being 4.th was more fun than 18.th though.

Post by **Mike Nike** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:53 pm

dede wrote:Sorry for ...the mistake with tyre wear.

what actually was the mistake?

misterpom · Post by **misterpom** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:57 am

I'd like to apologize to ShyGuy. I have no idea why I didn't let you pass. I don't think I blocked you or anything but I certainly didn't let you pass easily. I think I confused your for popowich or something. You can see that I let Lanz pass just before you approached me. It wasn't on purpose, I swear. Sorry.

Qualy - Nice qualy. I got exactly what I was hoping for: top 3. My only surprise was that it was Lanz instead of dede in front of me. Lanz got the 2nd spot for something like 0.008 and he had even more fuel than I had. Great job by Lanz. But we all know what happens to the lion of fast lap, don't we?

Race - Well, the great news for me was that I had very minor lag that didn't interfere at all during race. I can't complain about connection problems. The problem was the I was kind of pushed around a lot (mostly to the fault of my own, missing braking points) and lost many positions. I was hoping for something like a huge comeback but I just have no idea how to drive with tyre damage. Everytime tyre got to 50% levels I'd go to the pit and refill and change tyres. Looking now I see it was stupid to do so. Nobody really cared about tyre damage, it seems. People only went to pit when gas was low. So I'll just ignore tyres next time around.

7th place isn't very good for me. I expected something like top 5. With all the stupid things I did during race, it was kind of a good result. I seemed to be one of the few people who had no idea how to deal with tyre damage.

GR8Arjen · Post by **GR8Arjen** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:55 am

Dede wrote:Anyway, I officially decided to change the cup format. Pro&Rookie races will be played at the same time, in two different servers. Players will be split basing on a pre-qualifying session that will be played starting from 21:00 CET at Sundays. More details will come tomorrow.

So no more wildcards?

You know this will make the rookie race much less interesting?
Ah well, I wait for the definite plans to unfold tommorow before I will say I don't like them.

Dede wrote:Teams will be introduced from next race, points scored in first race will be counted too! We won't have any rules about those: you can team up with whoever you want, and teams can be as big as you wish. Top 2 finishers for each team in each race will score points for Team Championship.

Why only top 2 finishers? Like Shy already mentioned, we could create B teams. Why inventing the wheel again... Constructors points should be equal as championship points for all drivers. Just put a limit on the teamsize, that's all you need. (4/5)

GR8Arjen · Post by **GR8Arjen** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:07 am

Btw,

Considering new format changes, I can't help it to ask again why?

We had 43! players that attempted qualifying,

We had 14! players attending rookie race. (more then last years average)

We had the top players of that rookie race with wild cards competing in pro-race

We had an awsome pro-race!

We had great fair racing.

Conclusion, the opening round of the league was a huge succes!

Why change anything...

Post by **Tijny** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:08 am

YEAH MAN WTF.. NO RULLE CHANGE

F*** PATETIC DEDE..

In all seriousness, I'm happy with the new pre-quali format. The main issue with the previous format was that the track was not the one used in the races, which doesn't make sense at all. It's also much fairer when everyone drives the same amount of laps, and it also has the added advantage that all qualifiers will automatically show up to race.

I analyzed the statistics of last week's pre-quali a bit and there was clearly a steady decline in activity from monday through friday, by about 15% every day. This means that people get bored with having to drive the same track over and over, especially when it's not even the track that will be raced on.

Pingu · Post by **Pingu** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:49 am

Players will be split basing on a pre-qualifying session that will be played starting from 21:00 CET at Sundays.

Is it also for the starting grid in both races already? Or is it first split up then another quali (takes too much time

) .

Oh I realise know I should just wait for the more info post. But looks like Tijny already knows the whole format ^^

Etmil · Post by **Etmil** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:54 pm

Qualification

Went quite well, I got a good time after a few laps, but tried to go even better with no success, but starting 4th was awesome.

Race

I was so focused at the start and had a good getaway. Immediately in front of me there was a 3-way battle between Tijny, Lanz and Misterpom. I don't know what happened to Pom but I found myself running 3rd and being very surprised by that. Also I was under quite a lot of pressure due to all of that. Not trying to make mistakes, but the the duo of Lanz and Tijny fighting at the front soon disappeared and I had to think of maintaining my position rather than making up some.

Mike Nike was coming from behind and somewhere between all of that I lost my rhythm totally, making smaller mistakes here and there, all of which resulted in a slow laptime many-many times in a row. So Mike overtook me easily, also due to my crashing at the chicane. Also Shyguy and dede went past..

I thought I was f***ed total. And I still couldn't regain my momentum and rhythm when driving. It was maybe only after my first pitstop that I slowly began to find my pace again. And I was so eager to catch Shyguy and others at the front.

Pitstop went well, got exactly the amount of fuel I needed and no trouble entering or exiting the pitlane. My 2nd stint was fairly okay. I think I had a small fight with Tijny at the end of it, but he was on fresher tyres and although I tried to give him a fight, he stormed past.

Last stint was the best I think, because I had a good rhythm again and saw that I could still end up 4th-5th. Overtook some backmarkers, no real trouble with any of them. And in the very end I saw that I was catching Mike Nike so I pushed even more. On the last lap I got past, even though I did give him a very small bump which made him go onto the sand, but I really tried to be as fair as I could. And I think it's all good, also due to the reasons he explained.

All in all, good race - top 5 was my goal and I got 4th.. it's the same position I started from so.. I'm satisfied and happy

Even more so when I consider getting stuck twice in the almost invisible barrier in the chicane and losing momentum in the 1st stint due to I don't know what.. nervousness and anxiety maybe

In the end Tijny was maybe 6 seconds away, but I would've needed a perfect race to even consider fighting him and even then I don't think podium would've been reachable. And also WTF Shyguy TOTAL F*** QUICK.

Looking forward to next week!

Post by **dede** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:01 pm

I must admit that organization of F1 League 2011 so far isn't as good as it used to be in the past, so I ended up making mistakes mainly because of my limited time. An example was with yesterday's track: I tested it only a couple of laps, I added damage, saw that energy was going down but I didn't notice that tarmac wasn't damaging at all. Ok, not a big issue, but it required a quick fix during the race, so track hash got corrupted.

Another issue is that I announced the league too late, so I skipped to review some details such as teams and warmup sessions in Pro race (I copied last cup's format, but 8-laps warmup session isn't enough for unreleased tracks).

Bigger issue is about pre-qualifying and league format. I decided to go back to unreleased tracks, but we kept the same pre-qualifying format as last year. It actually makes no sense, if you think about it: you wank a track that you'll never drive in the race. Ok, it works well for rookies, but then why force them to drive a total different race when the league is about unreleased tracks? Lux's idea is nice, not because it's more fair or gives more chances to non-wankers, but just because it fits perfectly with what this edition is supposed to be: unreleased tracks for everybody!

So, here we go with the new format:

Pre-Qualifying
All subscribed players (spots are reserved to Top 40) will connect to one of the qualifying servers basing on a list that will come later. This session will start at 21:05 CET, servers will be available from 20.50 CET, track download will begin at 21:00 CET.
Pre-Qualifying round will be without fuel & tyre wear. Standings will be decided basing on single Fastest Lap (IHLC style). This round will last about 5-10 minutes.

Top 20 players will move to Pro Race Server, others to Rookie Race Server.

Cup format will be the same for both races!

Warmup
Fuel & Tyre Wear ON - this will start around 21:20 CET - it'll be about 5min session (yeah, a single session to test fuel & tyre wear).

Qualifying
Max 8 laps, Fuel ON, Tyre Wear OFF, no pitting allowed - fuel remaining after last completed lap will be startfuel for the race (players will need to set their startfuel manually!!).

Race
25min race as usual, Fuel ON, Tyre Wear ON.

The new cup format will require about 15-20 more minutes, so I expect to finish the whole cup at 22:15 CET. Please be patient in first race, I might need some time to explain the rules for Rookie Race if needed.

PAOLO · Post by **PAOLO** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:00 pm

Dede, only a question: Is it possible to have a server always avalaible in the week before the race for training with the track?

Del · Post by **Del** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:07 pm

PAOLO wrote:Dede, only a question: Is it possible to have a server always avalaible in the week before the race for training with the track?

The point of this system is that the track shouldn't be seen by anyone other than the maker and dede before it's raced on so no. You can train with the car on [TSE] === FAIRPLAY F1 RACING ===.

PAOLO · Post by **PAOLO** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Del wrote:
PAOLO wrote:Dede, only a question: Is it possible to have a server always avalaible in the week before the race for training with the track?
The point of this system is that the track shouldn't be seen by anyone other than the maker and dede before it's raced on so no. You can train with the car on [TSE] === FAIRPLAY F1 RACING ===.

ok, thanks for explanation.
I'd prefer the qualify wank server anyway.
Bye

Post by **Whiplash** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:24 pm

dede wrote:...unreleased tracks for everybody!

Not for me. Sorry, I just hate to make live calculations. It makes no sense for me cause I never know how my setup will work. Last year I could predict all details (I could exactly know what lap is planned for pit), which was something that I enjoyed testing before the race. Now I make "strategy" which is more like random hit and watching what will be happening.
I can't enjoy in such kind of racing, especially when it last 30 min. Sorry again.

Pingu · Post by **Pingu** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:48 pm

Whiplash wrote:
dede wrote:...unreleased tracks for everybody!
Not for me. Sorry, I just hate to make live calculations. It makes no sense for me cause I never know how my setup will work. Last year I could predict all details (I could exactly know what lap is planned for pit), which was something that I enjoyed testing before the race. Now I make "strategy" which is more like random hit and watching what will be happening.
I can't enjoy in such kind of racing, especially when it last 30 min. Sorry again.

Yeah because the calcs are different every race and so hard!

The amount of laps is based on total racetime. It is always around 95-100% of fuel.

So depending on how much risks you want to take a 3 stopper is always 25/25/25/25 or like 1-2 liters less per stop if you want to take risk..

2 stoper is 33/33/33 etc!

With very basic stuff you can already finish with 1-5% liters max in tank.