TurboSliders.com F1 League 2012 Edition

[Afinfas]

Great tips! Thanks a lot...i will definitely save all replays i take part as well. I do it on NSGP as well since season 6th or so!

Will wait for dede´s replay then...im quite curious to see race again and analyse my performance and compare it to faster guys so i can improve!

[dede]

Finally a good pace and a good race. After the first two stints' battles with Tijny, I somehow managed to get a good lead in third stint. If we look more into details, I made a big mistake: I was supposed to carry 30% of fuel (2% more than needed) in last pit but I was in a hurry and I went for 27%. After noticing such a big lead on Tijny, I decided to immediately drive with eco mode on, and that worked out as I ended with about 0.3% fuel

I'm very happy about this result, thanks everybody for joining. Hope to see more faces in next race, so that Rookie Race will have more drivers. Thanks people from New Star GP, hope you enjoyed and will race in next weeks as well!

[pablinho15]

Nice designe tinkywiinki.

[Etmil]

Anyone keeping track of standings? Whatever happened to teams, too?

[Mike Nike]

Also maybe have to look back the moves vs mikes but for now i think they were fair enough by far.

there were 3 scenes. i put them all together in one tsr file.

http://mikenike.mi.funpic.de/temp/2012. ... client.tsr

in all 3 scenes you went offroad and slowed down due to that.
in all 3 scenes i got close to you and drove into your back.
scene 1 felt harmless and it felt okay.
scene 2 was more of the category, where im relative sure that dede would have let me pass and viceversa. like in 85%-100% of the cases maybe.
scene 3 maybe include actually 2 rough scenes.
i came with 25-35 percent of my car side by side to you in that curve...you didnt let me space and closed the door, not leaving me any space...instead of us driving side by side through the next 2 curves, leaving each other space.
then you gone through the semideepish sand, a little more than in scene 2. and when i tried to pass you, which would have probably not worked out anyway due to too less space, you shut the door with quite a panic move to the right side, it looked like. those 2 or at least the 2nd roughy part of this scene might qualify for a certain punishment.

in fact though, my prerace circumstances and feeling during prequali, warmup, quali and race were quite demotivating. i felt like the track is similar to 2 kind of tijnytracks, where i typically suck in...with those wide curves and thin curbs and punishing grass where you slide easily and slowdown a bit too much ...and punishing deep sand, where you slowdown way too much...where you basicly get paranoid in curves in order to not go offroad and basicly need a huge amount of laps to get close to the aggressive high risky lines where you can drive as tight enough as dede and tijny easily did.
i was like..oh, pingu blocked me..meh, but oh well, i know his feeling being under pressure, hoping for a 3rd place, having some nice adrenalin going on and basicly hoped for some more laps of action, still feeling relatively good that i will catch you.
after 2nd or 3rd block though i remember thinking something like "okay, pingu, when you want to get 3rd like that..okay" <- but im relatively sure on a nice track like on etmils, with more motivation to get a good place, i woulda been sorta pissed^^
weird though, i later checked that you had 6.5 percent less fuel -.-
i think my strategy was 12 12 13, ending up with a friend, whom i told to not call me during race, calling me...fking me up a bit and helping me to forget to go to pits, ending up in some sorta 15 9 13 stint combination.
and his 2nd phonecall later didnt help out much, ending up into me forgetting to fill less fuel for last stint.

It can hardly take more than 10MB per year of hard disc.

in last 16 months and 7 days autosave folder stored 189 MB over here. and im by far not so active like i used to be.

i played at 241 different days, but often that just means i played from 22 to 2 o clock counting for 2 days, when i restarted sliders.exe.

so basicly 189mb/241 or less...so at least 23.5mb per month or 286mb per year with an activity of executing sliders.exe in max 49% of the days.

side note..im looking forward to go back to my logfileinterpreter tool development days ...one day ..so keep your logs and some day im gonna collect some folders of players (again) and upload stats to some webpage. and no worries, there will be tools to filter out content of messages before upload, so you wont send any private chatlines.

[Pingu]

Actually the second time I cut the sand was because I wanted to leave you as much space as possible on the outside, but it only doomed myself. Maybe they look harsh on a second view but tbh this aint much, I can't zap my car away and it would be silly to move away from the line while iam in front but lack pace at that certain part. Also the way you want to overtake is like always keeping your (the optimal) line and just forcing others away, instead of making moves yourself :p, i never saw you yourself making moving away. You just brake normal and because you are way faster you bump others, like saying "hey its mike nike you gotta leavveeh the space". Thats what I mostly appreciate about the attitude of Dede and Tijny, ofcourse they are godly fast but the times they are behind others they dont complain if they get slightly blocked or bumped (and loose time), while others say i was way faster i have a right to pass Atleast thats what i noticed from my point of view. We are still playing Turbosliders

Anyways I dont like to talk about this, even more since i got podium. Also because I stopped complaining about these kind of bumps myself, I learned to care less.


Btw about the fuel levels, how can you guys see the so perfect? I really wondered about this. But I got some manual tricks in the race to always finish race with 0-2% according to how sleepy I am during my last pitstop.

Maybe admins need to make better statements about this but I dont think this is punishment at all, this happens alot in the race, and you kinda complain alot about these kinds of bumps but you force your line really hard, when dede (or other good battling players like shyguy) was behind me or behind others in some races he is like moving hard going very wide to enter the corner and anticipating every move of the player in front of him, instead of forcing his line. Its kinda like when schumacher crashed into the back of senna or was it maldonado? when schumacher just pitted and senna was still on old tires, schumacher said he was way faster so senna had to move away really, as much as iam a fan of schumacher ih ad to agree with the other explenation, it doesnt make sense for the other to alreayd move away in corners just because someone that is faster is behind you?

If admins want to punish this, they can, I won't fight it either, just how i viewed it

[dede]

I watched Pingu+Matic+Lanz's races. About incidents involving Lanz, I'd say they are more or less fair: when you go side by side, contacts usually make outside car slide. Yeah, divebombing into the inside can be considered a rough move, but usually that driver ends up going too wide. So, if you are defending from the outside, just take wider line and re-pass the overtaker into the inside when he goes wide. If you close the door, there you have your possibility to claim the "rough overtake". But in certain cases, I'd say that it's more like a failed block rather than rough overtake move.

Matic has been very fair throughout the race, congratulations. Hopefully you'll be battling for the podium in some races, it will be fun for us!

Pingu, meh! First "block" seemed more or less fair, but if you put them all together I would complain for unfair blocking too. When making a mistake and going to sand, you have to try to keep outside of racing line if possible, so that people behind can have a chance of overtaking you without contacts. If car behind is too close and sand slowdown isn't much, one block can be considered fair (impossibility to move away from racing line and to avoid crash -> gap remains about the same, more or less fair if just one mistake like that). If another accident like that happens, then I'd consider the possibility to give way to car behind.

ONE small sand-block can be considered fair
ONE hard sand-block isn't fair = give way
TWO small sand-blocks aren't fair = give way

Moreover, if you want to defend your position during an attack, please decide what like you are going to take BEFORE the car behind is near you: if you want the inside, move to the inside early enough so that contact won't happen, and KEEP the inside if your opponent goes outside.

About the race happenings, Pingu will be punished with a drive-through in next GP. It's just a small punishment that will make him lose about 5 seconds (or less). He can decide when to do it, excluding last lap!

Btw about the fuel levels, how can you guys see the so perfect? I really wondered about this. But I got some manual tricks in the race to always finish race with 0-2% according to how sleepy I am during my last pitstop.

With a two stops strategy it should be easy if you manage to drive equal stints. Assume that you start with 53% fuel, then you stop at lap 13 (so next stints will be 12+12 laps). You fill up energy and random fuel (up to 37%). When you stop again at lap 25, you just need to check what's your fuel left (9%) and then calculate correct fuel for 12 laps (37%-9%) adding 1-2% for unlucky circumstances (28%+2% = 30% safe percentage). Then if you are in a hurry, you'll have too much pressure on your fingers and you'll decide to leave pitlane with just 27% while you were supposed to get AT LEAST 28%. Good luck with eco driving then, it worked for me with some luck

[Pingu]

Ok, since I read that next race was at 18.30 I most certainly gonna mis pre-quali. 9 out of 10 times diner isn't finished that time on sunday. If I miss that I cant participate in main race. I just do the penalty next time Iam in the main race? (woudnt make sense to do it in rookie race )

Can you still drive the rookie race if you miss pre quali, practice and real quali? I should be able to make it before 19.00 for sure, ill try to be on time though


Btw does this season have a drop system again or not?


Not going to complain about the penalty, but if you see what happens in the back sometimes half the field would need one. But I agree that you cant watch whole races, the rules should be as in f1sr, you can only get punished if others make official complain about you :p

[dede]

I just do the penalty next time Iam in the main race? (woudnt make sense to do it in rookie race )

Yes, penalty for Pro race only.

Can you still drive the rookie race if you miss pre quali, practice and real quali? I should be able to make it before 19.00 for sure, ill try to be on time though

Yeah, but skip dinner and come to race, you'll eat later! That's what I usually do!
Also, it makes no sense to drive Rookie race while being 2s/lap faster than other guys

Btw does this season have a drop system again or not?

Yes, it does. 2 races out of 10 or 3 races out of 12. We'll see how many races we'll drive.

Not going to complain about the penalty, but if you see what happens in the back sometimes half the field would need one.

Yes yes, I agree. In case of official complaints We'll be watching accidents and decide, otherwise we assume everything is ok.
About punishing people, please consider that it's complex to be fair in TS. I think it's fair to have softer punishment for newbies since controlling the car is harder for them. In the other hand, seasoned and skilled players like you should be able to control the car and predict what will happen under certain circumstances (e.g. if you go to sand and car behind does not), so we assume that blocking is made on purpose

[Lanz]

well after re-watching the overtake on etmil i have to say that it was not the best maneuver but for sure not an unfair one! a divebomb looks different to me because i didn´t used etmil as my brakes like he did with me once i slided away! not sure if you would get that corner if i wasn´t there! so the contact happened because he wanted to take the ideal line which could not work for him because i was there already! no offense etmil cos i really like to race with you because our battles always were fair but i just didn´t felt i had to give way! + i stopped to give way for every little mistake i made cos others never did! i didn´t had battles with many guys in the first 2 races but like dede said matic was by far the fairest! i never got a penalty and from what i remember this is the first time someone officially complained about me which says enough!
about the race: well, actually a bad one, in the middle of the race i thought i can be happy with 7th position! that i ended 5th was kinda surprise! i had the pace to even do better but way to many mistakes cost me a lot! seems the time is over once i had mistakes free races! maybe i can get my consistency back in future races, if not, not bad anyway!

[dede]

I found some time to put up the official standings. It should be easy to update them

About teams, I don't know. Do you want them? It's the same for me..

[Mike Nike]

Actually the second time I cut the sand was because I wanted to leave you as much space as possible on the outside

yeah, i thought about that possibility too, was even gonna asking if you tried that, but then i saw you actually closed the door a second earlier, which made it sorta unlikely or at least more unlikely. probably you didnt see it in your screen in the heat of the moment that you didnt leave me enough room there, not sure. or the sorta slightly warpy collision was hard to see anyway.

but ive done a lot of sand or grasscuts by myself too in the past, in order to let enough space to the attacking car behind and taking the offroad line on purpose in order to drive a position defending line that way - and in a certain amount of those cases it definately felt fair to block the attacking car, even i slowed down. like..if the attacking car didnt let me enough space with his line. imagine you dont close the door before the sandcut, i would have kinda needed to let you space to go through the next curve without you going offroad - so i would have needed to brake a little and or steer more right to let you space.
so...long story short, i trust you on that one.
im just not aware of the rules anymore in this league about the thingy, f1sl handles relatively clear: if a car overtakes you from the side, even he is only like 1 pixel with his front tyre (so, <1.0 carlengths behind you), you may not block him anymore. or something similar.

Also the way you want to overtake is like always keeping your (the optimal) line and just forcing others away, instead of making moves yourself :p, i never saw you yourself making moving away. You just brake normal and because you are way faster you bump others, like saying "hey its mike nike you gotta leavveeh the space".

that reminds me a bit to something tijny once said about when a car in front of him makes a mistake. well..in general the optimal overtake in terms of less time loss is of course keeping the optimal line. so i cant say i dont want that^^ - i dont need to do a cool looking fancy overtake. but that sorta overtake tijny did vs dede in losail is something i planned for races in my 1st season in f1sl due to their special rules.
[@alfonso, in case you read this, remember your illegal block vs me in china warmup? ]
so, basicly i dont feel like being that kind of "overtaker" you describe there. in those few scenes though, at 3 of 4 blocks it certainly looks strong like that, but basicly that might be because there wasnt so much room to take alternative lines to overtake.

We are still playing Turbosliders Smile

yeah, buddy, no hard feelings or anything

i just like fair results and if i do something bad im fine with punishments. not saying you are not. remember your 20 sec punishment in f1sl, stealing our first double win vs woki and co..
just saying, doesnt need to be me being beefed or something in order to report things.
even in poker i sometimes insult some fishy players for questionable icm calls on the bubble, even they did it vs some other guy.

that reminds me...i mighta missed some posts, but in case nobody mentioned etmil t-bone-ing whiplash, check lap 1 (just saw it because i wanted to check how i overtook drivers in the race)
he drives into whip, lux or so crashs into whip, i get a lucky sidebouncy collision ending up in gaining 2 positions after being pissed i let etmil through 1-2 curves earlier when trying to overtake someone else^^ and not caring about a defending line in the first place (good overtake by etmil vs me there).
did etmil and whip cleared that up yet?

I should be able to make it before 19.00 for sure

something i wanted to ask for a while already: can we maybe put up some bonus rules, like: "fast drivers" (like..top 5-8 ranked in season and top 5-8 of last race) have a reserved slot in pro race. so..if they accidently join too late, they are not doomed to drive the rookie race. i got quite a bit paranoid not being accidently 1 min too late to prequali at the 1st race lol.
also when i lost internet and all lights went off in my house, right before the warmup, yesterday...i got lucky it was not right before or during prequali.
and when you have to make lights working again, run down, up..restart router...start pc, wait for slow windows doing the funny "i know you are in a hurry and normally im booting faster, but today i dont feel so well and take things a bit slower"-brainf**k, you just hope for some tolerance and people waiting for you.
thats why i also thought about asking for having warmup before prequali.
so, you can come few minutes too late and arent doomed immediately as well to drive in rookierace, in case there is no "reserved slot rule".

[Afinfas]

that reminds me a bit to something tijny once said about when a car in front of him makes a mistake. well..in general the optimal overtake in terms of less time loss is of course keeping the optimal line. so i cant say i dont want that^^ - i dont need to do a cool looking fancy overtake. but that sorta overtake tijny did vs dede in losail is something i planned for races in my 1st season in f1sl due to their special rules.
[@alfonso, in case you read this, remember your illegal block vs me in china warmup? ]

Illegal blocking??? China??? I dont remember anything! You have proof?? 2 different games....

...something i wanted to ask for a while already: can we maybe put up some bonus rules, like: "fast drivers" (like..top 5-8 ranked in season and top 5-8 of last race) have a reserved slot in pro race. so..if they accidently join too late, they are not doomed to drive the rookie race. i got quite a bit paranoid not being accidently 1 min too late to prequali at the 1st race lol.

About your suggestion of reserved Slots, i think its completely fair and justified and should be applied ASAP. Makes no sense or fun at all for a PRO player to race on a rookie race, i believe! So i would say, go with that rule already on next race, where i will be fighting to my goal this first season, entering top 10 on final standings!!

[dede]

As for the pre-quali system, I agree that it can be bad if some top player misses it. What about if we change things like this..

1. Warmup Session: w/ fuel and damage, so that people can start training the track and test fuel strategies - 10 to 12 laps basing on track length (same as pre-quali before)

2. Pre-Quali Session: shorter than it is now - fuel and damage OFF (6 laps? same as warmup now?)

3. Quali: same length as pre-quali, but with fuel ON - fuel remaining after last completed lap will be startfuel for the race (same as it is now).

[Mike Nike]

warmup 10-12 laps
prequali 6 laps
quali 10-12 laps

sounds awesome to me

You have proof??

xD doh, replay-key-knowledge lack in china

[Pingu]

quali 10-12 laps

nah then you have to take more fuel to practice the track more and push hard for the last 3 laps

[dede]

warmup 10-12 laps
prequali 6 laps
quali 10-12 laps

Currently we have 12+6+8 laps + 25min race = 1h 30m
With 12+6+12 it sounds way too long.
12+6+6 could be enough, no?

[Mike Nike]

okay, next to the smiley i shoulda added the boldness:

quali 10-12 laps
sounds awesome to me Wink

even that would probably reduce my chances for a place 1 or 2 in a race...
as a lapwanker quali limes 250 laps is basicly always awesome to me ..hauehaue ..you get the pt

anyway, yeah i agree that something like 6 laps is likely the most wished by all drivers. totally fine with that. i gotta say though i accidently misread your post dede, when reading "same laps like in pre quali" i looked at the wrong number.

[Whiplash]

Yep, new order is better and feels more natural.
Btw dede, standings rally rox.

edit: ah, you fixed it.

[Scud]

Anyone can join in these races? And what was command for setting fuel %? /set startfuel (amount)?

[dede]

Anyone can join in these races? And what was command for setting fuel %? /set startfuel (amount)?

Welcome back! Yeah, you can join with no problems. It's /startfuel xy

Cya!

[Scud]

Anyone can join in these races? And what was command for setting fuel %? /set startfuel (amount)?

Welcome back! Yeah, you can join with no problems. It's /startfuel xy

Cya!

Ok, thanks for welcome and answering to my question. Tried some laps with this "new" car in F1 practise server and I was so slow... Rookie race awaits me.

[Mike Nike]

i feel like im gonna remind here as well... copy-pasting:

Third race will be Sunday 18 November, 1h 30m earlier than usual because of Formula One race. New schedule will be 18:30 CET then.

dede or me might remind at sunday again, just to make sure..

[samantha27]

Looking forward to watch this competition...I cant wait this...

[Pingu]

Looking forward to watch this competition...I cant wait this...

Make sure to download the turbosliders client to spectate the races. Shyguy isn't here to make youtube videos anymore!