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Let's just hope the organization will be good enough. 30 players on one server is exciting, but also a risky thing.iBlaze² wrote:Really looking forward to this tonight. First organised cup I'll have participated in for about 5 years
It will be good that all of the admins be in admin mode and inform me about any problem they notice. While they're in admin mode, "/muteall 1" command will not affect them.That's a perfectly good point to post. ^^ Gogogogogogo!iBlaze² wrote:Really looking forward to this tonight. First organised cup I'll have participated in for about 5 years
No point to this post really but at least it bumps the thread again in case somebody has forgot.
Fixed. Btw, I'm out.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:1st Division (iBlaze requested to race in Div 2 as he wouldn't have time to wait for the Div 1 cup and was told that he couldn't and should just leave, and Stylus didn't show up, Hevonen rq)
With good right.iBlaze² wrote:Fixed. Btw, I'm out.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:1st Division (iBlaze requested to race in Div 2 as he wouldn't have time to wait for the Div 1 cup and was told that he couldn't and should just leave, and Stylus didn't show up, Hevonen rq)
Man, are you kidding me or what? Player who's qualified for Division 1 asks to play Division 2 - WTF??? Why would I allow such a nonsense? You had no time, so you decided to f*** the competition up for all the other players while you're still there? - Yeah, nice plan.iBlaze² wrote:Btw, I'm out.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:1st Division (iBlaze requested to race in Div 2 as he wouldn't have time to wait for the Div 1 cup and was told that he couldn't and should just leave, and Stylus didn't show up, Hevonen rq)
How exactly? Whip spent a week trying to come up with 'inclusive' rules. He even said during the cup that any latecomers could just join straight into Div 2. So if I hadn't bothered turning up on time I would've been allowed to run in Div 2 but because I ran in the group stage I couldn't? Pathetic.Tijny wrote:With good right.iBlaze² wrote:Fixed. Btw, I'm out.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:1st Division (iBlaze requested to race in Div 2 as he wouldn't have time to wait for the Div 1 cup and was told that he couldn't and should just leave, and Stylus didn't show up, Hevonen rq)
Hardly rocket science. If I had to withdraw from Div 1 I score 0 points. If I compete Div 2 I at least score a few. How hard would it have been to give one extra qualifying place in Div 2 to take the place I left in Div 1??? You cannot seriously tell me that would "f*** the competition up"Whiplash wrote:Man, are you kidding me or what? Player who's qualified for Division 1 asks to play Division 2 - WTF??? Why would I allow such a nonsense? You had no time, so you decided to f*** the competition up for all the other players while you're still there? - Yeah, nice plan.iBlaze² wrote:Btw, I'm out.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:1st Division (iBlaze requested to race in Div 2 as he wouldn't have time to wait for the Div 1 cup and was told that he couldn't and should just leave, and Stylus didn't show up, Hevonen rq)
To all:
Ranking is updated. Tell me if there is any problem about it.
Maybe you just missed to read forum recently. Here is the post that you need. And read the first post sometimes, please. And look at the ranking too. Maybe all 3 of you should get 21 pts. But I've given 22 to you and Stylie since you've qualified directly trough groups.iBlaze² wrote:Hardly rocket science. If I had to withdraw from Div 1 I score 0 points. If I compete Div 2 I at least score a few. How hard would it have been to give one extra qualifying place in Div 2 to take the place I left in Div 1??? You cannot seriously tell me that would "f*** the competition up"
Maybe you misunderstood me. What I meant was that you have every right to be pissed. "f*** up the competition"... is this guy for real? Of course all Div. 2 players would have been happy to have you there instead of in Div. 1, to have one more decent guy to play with, but it seems for the dictator it's all about competition and being anal about following the rules, no fun allowed.iBlaze² wrote:How exactly? Whip spent a week trying to come up with 'inclusive' rules. He even said during the cup that any latecomers could just join straight into Div 2. So if I hadn't bothered turning up on time I would've been allowed to run in Div 2 but because I ran in the group stage I couldn't? Pathetic.
Yeah, I'll do that next time. But, man, it was really hard to expect that we'll not have full grid. Basically, we played all the qualies just to get those 20 players. And suddenly some of them disappeared. I wonder what's Hev's and Stylie's excuse.Tijny wrote:Instead of saying "TOP 6 QUALIFIES - IT'S WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE SO THAT'S HOW IT IS", just fill up Div. 1 with as many players from Div. 2 as would be required for a full server, of course respecting the order they finished in.
Yeah, that has sense too. But there is no any sense to let in there players who have already qualified trough groups.Tijny wrote:Similarly, latecomers should be able to play in Div. 2 even if they didn't participate in the qualifying round.
If it's evident that they won't be able to make it for Div. 1, then why not? The player in question gets to play, Div. 2 gets one more player, and Div. 1 gets filled up with the next in line. Everybody's happy that way, I would think?Whiplash wrote:Yeah, that has sense too. But there is no any sense to let in there players who have already qualified trough groups.Tijny wrote:Similarly, latecomers should be able to play in Div. 2 even if they didn't participate in the qualifying round.
Sorry T. I thought you meant there was a good reason for me not to be allowed to race.Tijny wrote:Maybe you misunderstood me. What I meant was that you have every right to be pissed. "f*** up the competition"... is this guy for real? Of course all Div. 2 players would have been happy to have you there instead of in Div. 1, to have one more decent guy to play with, but it seems for the dictator it's all about competition and being anal about following the rules, no fun allowed.
I had already told you I wouldn't race in Div 1 since I had to leave at 23:00 CET. Saying that everybody else would want to play Div 2 as well is just stupid since you and everybody else who had qualified for Div 1 was able to race in Div 1 and actually wanted to race there. It would not have taken any extra effort from you to have one more qualifying space in Div 2 for somebody to fill my empty space in Div 1 that I had already told you I wouldn't be able to take. Instead, you asked me to leave and then raced the Div 1 cup with an empty space. That's a good effort for somebody who was so determined for this cup to be 'inclusive' to everybody regardless of numbers and who didn't want to kick anybody out of the server.Whiplash wrote:O boy, I've already shown source info saying that top 6 will go to Division 1. So, what I needed to do? To say:
"Ey, guys, Blazee wanna play with you just for fun. Let's get him in. And, oh, wait, I would join too - and guess what else, let's get in all those qualified players who are bored to join and play too. It will be so f*** fun!" So, f*** the top 6 rule. We will find out somehow on the end who's going to play Division 1. f*** the rules and let's just have fun!"
Ah, thanks for noticing all that. Ranking is fixed. Also, Air13 actually isn't the same case as Hevonen. Air13 didn't finish Division 2 cup (he obviously left the server just before the last race). So, I 'll threat that as being last in Division 2 cup - which is 17 pts, as you said.Carlos Sainz Jr wrote:Hey Whip, there are only 5 columns on ranking, they should be six and then in overall best five will count. Ah, Air should get 17 pts, he made the same Hevonen's thing.
Blazee, why are you trying to put all of this on my back? Seeing you in Division 2 cup would just make unnecessary complications. How many pts should I give you in that case? How could I explain to all of the other Division 2 players how many top players will be qualified now? Your position during the cup could go from 1 to 10. And each race all the other players would need to look what your position is, so that they can eliminate you if you're in top 6 and count their real position. So, after one race, top 6 are going to Div1, and after the other one - top 7...and so on. Why doing that man?iBlaze² wrote:I had already told you I wouldn't race in Div 1 since I had to leave at 23:00 CET. Saying that everybody else would want to play Div 2 as well is just stupid since you and everybody else who had qualified for Div 1 was able to race in Div 1 and actually wanted to race there. It would not have taken any extra effort from you to have one more qualifying space in Div 2 for somebody to fill my empty space in Div 1 that I had already told you I wouldn't be able to take. Instead, you asked me to leave and then raced the Div 1 cup with an empty space. That's a good effort for somebody who was so determined for this cup to be 'inclusive' to everybody regardless of numbers and who didn't want to kick anybody out of the server.
Bullshit.Whiplash wrote:Seeing you in Division 2 cup would just make unnecessary complications.
As many as I had earnt for my finishing position in Div 2 obviously.Whiplash wrote:How many pts should I give you in that case?
No need, if I say I will give up my place in Div 1 people are smart enough to see that I won't be included. And what is wrong with directly telling somebody that they have made it? Your keyboard seemed to work very well when telling me I couldn't so it can't be that hard to tell somebody they can!Whiplash wrote:How could I explain to all of the other Division 2 players how many top players will be qualified now?
Are you saying it's beyond the capabilities of TS players to count me out of the top and add one place? Incredible.Whiplash wrote:Your position during the cup could go from 1 to 10. And each race all the other players would need to look what your position is, so that they can eliminate you if you're in top 6 and count their real position. So, after one race, top 6 are going to Div1, and after the other one - top 7...and so on. Why doing that man?
Because I didn't realise this. Normally you get points for actually participating in a cup, not just qualifying for it. How do I get points for a Div 1 cup that I never even completed 1 race in??? Bizarre.Whiplash wrote:If you got your 21 points by qualifying to Division 1, why is it so hard just to say "bye" and leave? I just can't understand that. Your play would have no any meaning - you would be like a ghost who's trying to collect less points he has already got. Cause in Division 2 you could get 20 pts maximum - by winning it.
It's hardly some massive change of rules to let 1 person race in Div 2 who cannot qualify for Div 1. Even the dumbest TS player in history could understand that.Whiplash wrote:I can't just confuse all of the players by changing rules like that.
How do you think normal organised cups work? You wait a few minutes for signed up players to show and if they don't then you let reserves in. I don't understand what you think is so hard about that when the Turbo Sliders community has been using the same system for years? When it was obvious that me and Stylus weren't there you should've asked if 7th and 8th place people were spec-ing and let them join. No big explanation of the rules required. If they weren't, then you ask for 9th/10th, etc. You said yourself, Div 1 races should always have 20 people. It seems crazy that you would rather race with empty slots than let some of the spectators take up those positions based on finishing order in Div 2. And if you really must have some grand explanation of 'Whiplash Law' then you just need to say that only the top 6 will AUTOMATICALLY qualify, but there may be extra spaces available if people do not show up.Whiplash wrote:The only mistake that I did there was that I didn't move the border for Division 2 players down by 1 position after you've told me that you'll leave. Instead of 6, I should've told them that 7 will go to Division 1. But, we would still miss Hev and Stylie there. Sometimes is just hard to take care of everything and be perfectly "inclusive". I could't even imagine earlier that there will be players who will play few minutes and then leave.
It would not make things more complicated if you say that "top 6 are guaranteed a place in the main event." With the waiting times as they are, it's almost inevitable that one or two players drop out before the Div. 1 cup, so 7th or even 8th place in Div. 2 would have a very real chance of qualifying anyway. iBlaze's presence really does not change much in that regard, unless of course you fixate blindly on the "top 6" rule.Whiplash wrote:Blazee, why are you trying to put all of this on my back? Seeing you in Division 2 cup would just make unnecessary complications. How many pts should I give you in that case? How could I explain to all of the other Division 2 players how many top players will be qualified now? Your position during the cup could go from 1 to 10. And each race all the other players would need to look what your position is, so that they can eliminate you if you're in top 6 and count their real position. So, after one race, top 6 are going to Div1, and after the other one - top 7...and so on. Why doing that man?
Did you ever think that, just maybe, some players don't play to "collect points", but, I don't know, because they enjoy it?Whiplash wrote:If you got your 21 points by qualifying to Division 1, why is it so hard just to say "bye" and leave? I just can't understand that. Your play would have no any meaning - you would be like a ghost who's trying to collect less points he has already got. Cause in Division 2 you could get 20 pts maximum - by winning it. I can't just confuse all of the players by changing rules like that.
I understand that. That's why I'll try to run 2 servers at the same time next week.Hevonen wrote:Im sorry to ragequit and disrespect the cup. Thats not the way to handle things that should be fun. 4 nightmare races in a row was too much for my nerves. For my defence, I just came from a 80 kilometres bike trip 5-10 minutes after the cup starting time and had no time to rest. Then the cup took more than two hours (too much if you ask me), so I was tired (18 hours awake too) and hungry. But im happy one result is not counted.
Tijny wrote:Whip, let me just say that even though I never would have made the same call, I somehow understand the decision not to let iBlaze play because this scenario was not considered in the rules and running a cup like that is difficult enough as it is.
Listen, even if we had the same scenario next week, I wouldn't let qualified Division 1 player to play Division 2. I just can't allow Division 1 players to influence the battle of less skilled Division 2 players.Tijny wrote:That being said, it would be to your credit if you just said "ok, I made a bad call, sorry Blazee" instead of trying to come up with all sorts of ill-founded arguments to defend your decision. This happened, there's no undoing it, but at least we can use this experience to make sure a similar scenario doesn't happen again in the coming weeks.
That was the Division 2 cup - you amateur.Alex Novo wrote:I was confused tonight..
Firstly we had 2 groups A and B , then top 7 of each group passed to Div 1(14) and the others played a cup trying to go to Div 1and finally passed top 6 , well, now there are 20 people on Div 1 and we played it but Div 2? they didn't played it.
