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[dede]

Cmon guys, it was a great battle and theres always one that has to loose and this time it was Mikes turn. Next time it will be you Dede! Oh yeah...!

I already lost two. It won't happen again, not with Mike.

Was a Hard move yeah but i wouldnt call it unfair cause it wasnt really. I guess if Mike would have used the same level of hardnes he would have won the race i guess...

No, he would've been Mrtn but still would've lost.

[Lanz]

enough hot air sprayed out! PTM Race Control stated that there will be no further action!

[Afinfas]

enough hot air sprayed out! PTM Race Control stated that there will be no further action!

And with that you reached the post 600 LANZ!

BTW guys...how does the 24/7 servers work? Is it Linux? Where are the servers hosted? Can someone trow some lights into this please? We are checking if its possible to implement this on NSGP and TS has working very nice so i decided to ask it!

Thanks for any answer about it and sorry for using this post for it but its in some way to get out of the previous subject now that Race Control has taken a position!

[shyguy1001]

I find a gif often helps to settle disputes..



I think its a perfectly fair move and an excellent finish to a race.

[Pingu]

I just watched it back, its annoying I cant replay it a couple of times without having to skip 37 laps again... But at first sight I didn't see why Mike went off the track, I thought he could keep pedal to the metal and go side by side on the main straight

[Tijny]

As much as I wanted Mike to stay in front of dede in the last lap, I'm really going to have to side with dede on this one. Mike, man up and apologize for your accusations, because the move was 100% fair. I can understand dede's frustration, being told you won unfairly after such a great comeback... yeah, I would be pissed about that too.

[Lanz]

I find a gif often helps to settle disputes..



I think its a perfectly fair move and an excellent finish to a race.

am i the only one seeing nothing here?

[shyguy1001]

Seems nobody can, patetic site I uploaded it to! :/

[Wokinger]

Seems nobody can, patetic site I uploaded it to! :/

You'd better make a broadcast ;P

[dede]

Just to be clear: I'm not pissed, I'm joking about that. I believe the overtaking was fair but hard. In that position Mike could likely do nothing without hitting my car. I understand that he might have suffered of warp there, but he has to blame his connection and not myself. On my screen there was enough room to do what I did.

[Lanz]

sure thats a good point but if we do that all in one evening i'm afraid that it takes us 3 hours to finish! you can consider that 1 heat can take us 5mins(best of 3 with 2 laps)! thats the main reason i would like to have a fixed schedule with a time table up for at least the first round! the few times i had a server up was just a pain the **** with all the people afk and so on! that made me think thats it's maybe the best to have all fixed up before! sure some people will sign in and don't show up but i think if we make them clear if they do that the opponent gets a free pass, maybe then they don't do it! but i'm open to everything! we still have some time to find the perfect solution! i'm all ears!

I don't really see how it's going to take that much longer the way I described it. In my opinion you will want to have at least one practice session anyway for the people who don't wank the track in advance, and a draw can be deduced from that very easily. Experience has shown that a predefined time table is almost always too optimistic and will just lead to impatient people, but what we can and should do is use more than one server in order to speed things up considerably.

i don't know if you tried the track but only 2 guys can drive at the same time, so making a practice session could take us long also! maybe we can solve that problem with making another edition of the track where 20 people can race it in ghost mode! cos in the actual track startpos 3-20 are trapped in a box surrounded by an invisible wall to avoid troubles!
ok let's consider we do it that way, with maybe a 8-10 min practice with 2 servers! so then we probs have a table like we had in F1 League with all the times together from both servers! let's consider that there are more then 20 people wanting to race that kind of event! at least that would be nice! so how we organize each battles soon, without xx minutes of waiting and how we split them up into both servers, so people know where to go! and who helps with organizing all the servers cos i have no idea how to make scripts and i can't organize both of them! then we don't know how many guys show up and more important how many stay! cos you know how it is, if there is a server with loads of people automatically others join too, if they then have to wait for some time they can leave quickly! other thing there has to be a certain amount of players to make it work! 16-24-32 so otherwise others could get a free pass in round 2 which i want to avoid badly! so that places can be filled up with lucky loosers! so if you for example loose your battle but you drove the fastest time from all those who lost the 1st round you still advance to the 2nd round!
all those things have to be considered and i'm just afraid that it ends in a mess!

[Mike Nike]

On my screen there was enough room to do what I did.

if i would have gone into that 2nd last corner inside in such a tight angle, i woulda probably messed up bigtime by either sidebumping way more or backing off by slowing down more.
maybe in your screen it looked like you could keep that high speed without colliding me. or you did what i seemed to do in last corner - keeping high speed, since that seemed to be probably the last chance to end up in front, maybe.

no question, dedes comeback was nice and id believe it, if he thought he wouldnt collide with me and had enough space in his screen. im still glad though turbosliders isnt that sucky compared to nsgp in the synchro.
and yeah, in the replay the collision is hardly visible, consequently kinda worth to joke about like dede did well ehehe..
haha, that actually made me create a nick called [Merc]aMikaze just for the joke^^

but even it would be some kinda superfair driver like janne, who would have been inside, i still need to ask the question, what kind of line will be unpunished there, as inside car and probably as outside car as well.
dont wanna have too much of a disadvantage if it comes to using hard but fair moves.

could be good to know if the inside car would be basicly allowed to drive as wide as he wants as long as he keeps on steering right 100% and leaving 1 carlength width to the end of the road for the outsidecar, basicly forcing the outside car off his line - in this case forcing me to brake (more) in last curve to not get offroad and maybe to force me not steer 100% right as well in 2nd last corner.

also: inside car turns into 2nd last corner later, outside car turns in earlier (trying to make car inside slowdown to not risk a sidebump).
lets assume with both cars driving full speed a collision is unavoidable, while the outside car has still space to the outside to backoff (which would result into going off the line in order to drive a fast last 180 turn combination/2 curves/corners combination).
has the car in front same fault at the collision?
has the faster car less fault?
has the overtaking car less fault?
has the inside car more fault (since a sidebump would likely result into more problems for the outside car)?

on a straight im not allowed to block dede anymore as soon as he is "side to side", which he already is if he is less than 1 carlength behind me.
on the other side he cant just drive into me as well.
my outsideline, as soon as i steered in, was able to describe a 180 turn curve with 100% steering right, including possible parts of slowing down maybe, but without the necessity to steer left or forward in order to come out at the very outside line of the last straight.
defining the last 2 90 degree corners into one curve, i think i likely chose an "outside enough angle".
dont get me wrong here, im now basicly trying to see what will be considered fair for in this cup or maybe as gentleman rules as well.
wether it ends up that dedes, my, or for some reason both of our lines will be considered as somewhat unfair, there are quite some scenarios which will be quite edgy and im quite interested in how far diving kamikaze moves (forcing outside car to go to the very outside) are allowed or in how far blocking a car to a superslow inside line is possible.
so far i thought both cars have to give each other space enough, but on a collision most likely the inside car has done an illegal crossing (because the insides car relative roadwidth position was steering left while the outsides relative roadwidth position was steering left as well, usually - meaning: the inside car drives into the outside car at that point, which would give the outside car the opportunity to "close the door" during the turn like whiplash probably meant as well)

[Afinfas]

im still glad though turbosliders isnt that sucky compared to nsgp in the synchro.

About that topic i just wrote you a mail! Stop saying bad about NSGP and help fixing it!

[dede]

I think that car inside does not have so much road available to give room. Normal line is already wide, so imagine if we both join first curve from that position (inside). Actually I did not understand what you wanted to achieve by driving that line. I would've done either one of these options:
1) kept inside defending line in straight and then first curve (it's much harder to overtake from the outside in that curve)
2) switched to very wide first curve to get full speed crossing in case car inside fucked up second curve (much harder move, especially on more worn tyres).

Anyway, I believe it's not possible to give a scientific rule of behavior in those situations. Just battle and try to behave in a fair way, but don't forget that we are still racing! Hard fair battles are nice and entertaining!
If we end up to unfair battles normally we give way to eachothers, otherwise we can complain and each case will be considered independently!

[Lanz]

Anyway, I believe it's not possible to give a scientific rule of behavior in those situations. Just battle and try to behave in a fair way, but forget that we are still racing! Hard fair battles are nice and entertaining!
If we end up to unfair battles normally we give way to eachothers, otherwise we can complain and each case will be considered independently!

yep thats it! nicely said!

[Pingu]

This race man........ watched it back again. Wtf man, all this talk! Do we even realise how amazing this race actually was . Shyguy you should make a vid of this man. You can go wild during whole race, with Etmilio's chilled commentary in the background :p

[Afinfas]

This race man........ watched it back again. Wtf man, all this talk! Do we even realise how amazing this race actually was . Shyguy you should make a vid of this man. You can go wild during whole race, with Etmilio's chilled commentary in the background :p

Yeah i watched again as well. Great race!!!! Mike and Eddie were both driving perfectly with no mistakes. As soon as the unfair limbacker (MAN YOU HAVE TO GIVE WAY TO DRIVERS WHO ARE LAPPING YOU) showed up in the way, it messed up things. Eddie was on the lead with quite some gap of advantage but...he was now TOO relaxed! There was no pressure from Mike so...he started making mistakes, loads of them. In one lap he made 3 mistakes where he normally never does.
So mike catcthed him up and then he had no strenth to fight back being taken over by Dede as well but....

Once again, fantastic race from the top 3 drivers! Im only sad i couldnt be there to put myself into this group!

[Tijny]

Yeah i watched again as well. Great race!!!! Mike and Eddie were both driving perfectly with no mistakes. As soon as the unfair limbacker (MAN YOU HAVE TO GIVE WAY TO DRIVERS WHO ARE LAPPING YOU) showed up in the way, it messed up things. Eddie was on the lead with quite some gap of advantage but...he was now TOO relaxed! There was no precissure from Mike so...he started making mistakes, loads of them. In one lap he made 3 mistakes where he normally never does.
So mike catcthed him up and then he had no strenth to fight back being taken over by Dede as well but....

I wasn't really relaxed as such, my mind just wandered off and instead of focalizing on my driving lines I was thinking things like "I don't want to win like this!" So even though it wasn't a conscious decision on my part to let Mike pass again, maybe Whippy was right in a way about my "fairplay move." But that's no excuse, it's not the first time my concentration has faded during a race - I mean, you saw how I fumbled towards the end of the Brands Hatch race where you almost caught me in the last laps.

[Tijny]

Just a heads up, the race times as they are announced on the home page are probably wrong since we'll be switching to summer time (why is it still freezing here?) this weekend. It should be 18:00 GMT, 20:00 CEST.

[Afinfas]

Yeah...very cold here as well and still snow!!!!

Btw...a teasing for next week race.

My best lap till now: 37.422s anf far away from a perfect one. So much to improve still but hard to be consistent on this track. I remember and have a lap made by Pablinho of 37.290s so, thats the time to beat if anyone wants to practice!

Is there gonna be a practice race this sunday? Like...same time as usual? I would be there if so. Why not??

[Lanz]

Yeah...very cold here as well and still snow!!!!

Btw...a teasing for next week race.

My best lap till now: 37.422s anf far away from a perfect one. So much to improve still but hard to be consistent on this track. I remember and have a lap made by Pablinho of 37.290s so, thats the time to beat if anyone wants to practice!

Is there gonna be a practice race this sunday? Like...same time as usual? I would be there if so. Why not??

Eddie's pole lap from Test Race was even a bit faster! 37.276

sadly my win7 experiment failed badly, had to reset all back to my nostalgic xp from 2002! so i made no progress at Nürburgring cos i wanted to test a new way of avoiding cuts! that would be totally nice to test before we use it in an official race! maybe i can do it till sunday!

off topic: i never had this problem before but since i installed the game new it crashes during closing! i always have to close it in the task manager! it says the game is not responding! someone has a clue why?

[xzeal]

i always have to close it in the task manager! it says the game is not responding! someone has a clue why?

Had a problem like that many years ago, try disabling the "generate HTML records on exit" thingy.

[Lanz]

i always have to close it in the task manager! it says the game is not responding! someone has a clue why?

Had a problem like that many years ago, try disabling the "generate HTML records on exit" thingy.

thx, that actually worked! but it has a bad taste cos no recs are saved! there must be something that caused that problem!

[power79]

i always have to close it in the task manager! it says the game is not responding! someone has a clue why?

Had a problem like that many years ago, try disabling the "generate HTML records on exit" thingy.

thx, that actually worked! but it has a bad taste cos no recs are saved! there must be something that caused that problem!

Long exit time
If you have downloaded lots of track, exiting the game can get slow because the game generates HTML stats for each track records. You can disable this in the Statistics settings.

So its probably just taking long time.
But records are always saved, just HTML stats are not generated and who needs those? So just keep it disabled.

[Lanz]

Had a problem like that many years ago, try disabling the "generate HTML records on exit" thingy.

thx, that actually worked! but it has a bad taste cos no recs are saved! there must be something that caused that problem!

Long exit time
If you have downloaded lots of track, exiting the game can get slow because the game generates HTML stats for each track records. You can disable this in the Statistics settings.

So its probably just taking long time.
But records are always saved, just HTML stats are not generated and who needs those? So just keep it disabled.

ok thx!