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[shyguy1001]

under 32s constantly with no fuel.

Does fuel really make a half a second difference (I mean carrying minimum possible)? Problem is, if I go and wank 500 laps of the track now I could probably manage to get under 32, but for me I will make too many mistakes during the race and will not be consistent in those times.

Thanks for the tutorial tjiny, now my challenge is just to make a track that is drivable for a race (so not boring).

EDIT: Scrap that, I can see now it is not so hard to get under 32 time with not fuel.

[Tijny]

under 32s constantly with no fuel.

Does fuel really make a half a second difference (I mean carrying minimum possible)? Problem is, if I go and wank 500 laps of the track now I could probably manage to get under 32, but for me I will make too many mistakes during the race and will not be consistent in those times.

Don't worry, driving constantly under 32.0 is impossible, even for dede.

[shyguy1001]

under 32s constantly with no fuel.

Does fuel really make a half a second difference (I mean carrying minimum possible)? Problem is, if I go and wank 500 laps of the track now I could probably manage to get under 32, but for me I will make too many mistakes during the race and will not be consistent in those times.

Don't worry, driving constantly under 32.0 is impossible, even for dede.

Well I did just manage a .2 with 20 laps practice, im sure dede could wank until he was blind and manage to do an average race time with all laps under 32.

Also about mistakes, I can tell there is going to be quite a few pile ups at the first chicane (the tree on the inside) during the race.

[Tijny]

Also about mistakes, I can tell there is going to be quite a few pile ups at the first chicane (the tree on the inside) during the race.

Yeah, the first chicane is quite bad, since you can snowcut there and get away with it. I tried to copy the real-life Mont Tremblant track as much as possible, but I guess it didn't work out too well.

[Pingu]

Also about mistakes, I can tell there is going to be quite a few pile ups at the first chicane (the tree on the inside) during the race.

Yeah, the first chicane is quite bad, since you can snowcut there and get away with it. I tried to copy the real-life Mont Tremblant track as much as possible, but I guess it didn't work out too well.

Jup but the harder i try it to take it the more chance i piledrive in that dang tree

[Whiplash]

i think i can win dede..

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
That was good one.

i am not impressed
so this is the best slider man?
sorry dede but you dont impressed me ...

Ok Tijny, I'm on your side now.

You really have a double moral, if people you like get in trouble you try to defense them alot. When i made a mistake / fault whatever you want to call it you suddenly were on the side of the admins and try to get me in deeper trouble. Let the admins take care of this and just stay out of it. I certainly learned from the penalty i got from my mistakes.
Looking to those 2 posts above me i really don't get what Reirom is trying to say, and he act's quite strange. The point was.. if he thinks like this / have the moral like this during the race you are just asking for trouble.

Wrong man. This is completely different case. You are banned because of your behavior on the track. Also, I have just came to this community in that time, so I couldn't defend you like I'm doing now. dede was really angry because of all that stupid players at that time. I was too. I'm not gonna say that I like reirom's big words here. He uses forum space for wrong discussion, but I never saw him being stupid on the track (maybe I'm wrong). Reirom is just different player with different sense of humor. He just don't have enough experience at big competitions, and enough races with top players. I was just like he is now when I started to play online, but I never said that kind of words on forum. When I saw dede's live wanking on DIT server, I realized that I'm just far from good.

[reirom]

ok i willl run this and prove i am not this shit

you guys have 6 years of sliders i have one year and half



still i will be good mark my words


pom and mike maybe can win this


dede is only words guy run with me and i could won



so far for me


pom mike nike>dede

[shyguy1001]

ok i willl run this and prove i am not this shit

you guys have 6 years of sliders i have one year and half



still i will be good mark my words


pom and mike maybe can win this


dede is only words guy run with me and i could won



so far for me


pom mike nike>dede

What I read there is not what tjiny asked you to say, but "I am being given a second chance and want to throw it away".

[dede]

He's putting a lot of pressure over pom, mike nike and himself. That's the only thing I can see

[reirom]

25. REIROM 0:38.340 16 Gen 2010

[reirom]

jerosque baby 20 top wow


my best track

[shyguy1001]

He's putting a lot of pressure over pom, mike nike and himself. That's the only thing I can see

I am less worried about him being slow/fast, I just hope he is a different speed to me because I suspect fairplay is not taught where he comes from...

[reirom]

run against some guys


mike nike>janne


like i predict


i think that the cup will be a new track so not advantage to dede and tinjy 1000k laps in the gpor tracks..

so with new track am new for all so the gap will be less

i am confident

who will made the tracks for the cup?

[shyguy1001]

run against some guys


mike nike>janne


like i predict


i think that the cup will be a new track so not advantage to dede and tinjy 1000k laps in the gpor tracks..

so with new track am new for all so the gap will be less

i am confident

who will made the tracks for the cup?

It was the same last cup and tjiny dominated every race but two...

Anyone who wants to make a track can, doesnt mean it will be used though.

[Whiplash]

i think that the cup will be a new track so not advantage to dede and tinjy 1000k laps in the gpor tracks..

They almost never play there.

Anyone who wants to make a track can, doesnt mean it will be used though.

Yeah. And track must be "photoshoped".

[misterpom]

While training I did a good enough time. I think I could have gotten under 32 if it wasn't for some stupid mistakes (touching the snow near the end, etc) and for those keyboards issues I have.

http://img706.imageshack.us/i/laphp.jpg/

I typed /fuel in the end to show I was using the same stats you will use on the championship.

Reirom's lap is ridiculous. 34.xxx? I beat that on my second lap I think, with almost full tank. Dede's is pretty good, considering he was with his laptop on his knees. I played like that with Mike once and I couldn't do shit hahaha. It was really pathetic.

[dede]

For those who never joined this league, I would suggest to start training in various tracks. Focusing on test tracks only isn't a good idea, since you won't likely learn the car but the track. I wouldn't be too much surprised if several players beat me in the test races, but driving in a totally unknown track is much harder for those who don't know the car too well.

For instance, I believe that driving in a totally unknown track makes gaps bigger when comparing top players to average players, because top players manage to drive close to the perfection after few laps practice. Using a released track with a huge training by all players makes the race closer, because average players improve their laptimes more than how top players do. In the other hand, top players usually dedicate more time to wanking than average players, so gaps result to be bigger anyway.

[Whiplash]

For those who never joined this league, I would suggest to start training in various tracks. Focusing on test tracks only isn't a good idea, since you won't likely learn the car but the track. I wouldn't be too much surprised if several players beat me in the test races, but driving in a totally unknown track is much harder for those who don't know the car too well.

For instance, I believe that driving in a totally unknown track makes gaps bigger when comparing top players to average players, because top players manage to drive close to the perfection after few laps practice. Using a released track with a huge training by all players makes the race closer, because average players improve their laptimes more than how top players do. In the other hand, top players usually dedicate more time to wanking than average players, so gaps result to be bigger anyway.

Yeah, nicely said and all true.

[Whiplash]

Race will last about 25 minutes (number of laps is variable, depending on track length).

Can I ask for 5 minutes more (eventually)? I'm testing some fuel setups based on real F1 races. So I have problems with lap number. Real races goes with about 60 laps, our will go with about 40-45. 5 more minutes will fix that problem for my testings. I just want to know will you accept my setup if I made it for 30 minutes race? Man, I tough I will find good one quickly, but obviously it will not be that easy; It will take some time.

[Tijny]

Can I ask for 5 minutes more (eventually)? I'm testing some fuel setups based on real F1 races. So I have problems with lap number. Real races goes with about 60 laps, our will go with about 40-45. 5 more minutes will fix that problem for my testings. I just want to know will you accept my setup if I made it for 30 minutes race? Man, I tough I will find good one quickly, but obviously it will not be that easy; It will take some time.

I'm currently looking into the kind of fuel system that shyguy suggested, particularly so that the qualifying round will be a little less boring. This is what me and my script came up with:

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Race: 40 laps, laptime = 37.800s, full tank = 40.500s
Seconds of acceleration: 1700s
Refuel time: 25s
Idle consumption: 75%
Full slowdown: 20%

Calculating fuel tactic [40] laps
Fuel for each stint: [91%]
Estimated total time: 26:00.910


Calculating fuel tactic [20, 20] laps
Fuel for each stint: [45%, 45%]
Estimated total time: 25:51.598


Calculating fuel tactic [14, 13, 13] laps
Fuel for each stint: [32%, 30%, 29%]
Estimated total time: 25:52.324

From what I found it is pretty much impossible to find a balance between all 3 of them, but in real F1 no one does a 0-stop strategy anyway. The 2-stopper is not even a second slower than the 1-stopper, which is compensated by the lower qualifying fuel. It has one drawback, in that if you forget to set your startfuel, your race is over before it has even begun. I'm not sure though, as these settings are a little "out there" so any opinions on the matter are very much appreciated.
I also talked to dede about addressing the issue simply by qualifying without fuel, but after giving it some more thought I realized that that's not really an option.

[Whiplash]

I'm currently looking into the kind of fuel system that shyguy suggested, particularly so that the qualifying round will be a little less boring. This is what me and my script came up with:

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Race: 40 laps, laptime = 37.800s, full tank = 40.500s
Seconds of acceleration: 1700s
Refuel time: 25s
Idle consumption: 75%
[color=red]Full slowdown: 20%[/color][/quote]
I did that too, but I tough we should make full slowdown to lower number. I tried with 10 in my testings. 

[quote="Tijny"]From what I found it is pretty much impossible to find a balance between all 3 of them, but in real F1 no one does a 0-stop strategy anyway. [/quote]
Yeah. 3 stops too. But it shouldn't be that slow anyway. Your 26.0 is good enough.
[quote="Tijny"]The 2-stopper is not even a second slower than the 1-stopper, which is compensated by the lower qualifying fuel. It has one drawback, in that if you forget to set your start fuel, your race is over before it has even begun. I'm not sure though, as these settings are a little "out there" so any opinions on the matter are very much appreciated.[/quote]
Yeah man. That's why I could change my mind about releasing tracks. You will always make some little changes with number of laps. Sometimes it will be more shorter, sometimes just a little then 25 min, sometimes maybe even longer if you decide to do that. So, few percents of startfuel amount can make big  changes. 
[quote="Tijny"]I also talked to dede about addressing the issue simply by qualifying without fuel, but after giving it some more thought I realized that that's not really an option.[/quote]
Well yeah,  that could makes some big problems in first few laps. 1-stoppers could take good start positions but they would be much slower in first laps.
Anyway, my suggestion was to make "Full slowdown" lower (to 10-12), but move "Idle consumption" to 80-85% or something. Of course, 5 more minutes could help there a lot too. (you could test it better then me). Maybe qualifying without fuel would work with this setting much better.

[Tijny]

I did that too, but I tough we should make full slowdown to lower number. I tried with 10 in my testings.

(...)

Anyway, my suggestion was to make "Full slowdown" lower (to 10-12), but move "Idle consumption" to 80-85% or something. Of course, 5 more minutes could help there a lot too. (you could test it better then me). Maybe qualifying without fuel would work with this setting much better.

The idea is that with a huge fuel tank, you can do your strategy at much lower fuel percentages, resulting in less slowdown (even at 20%) than with a smaller tank and 15%. However, if you were to decrease the slowdown, the balance between 1- and 2-stop strategies would be lost; at 15% the difference would be almost 4 seconds (well, according to my calculations anyway), which is obviously too much. Changing the idle consumption will do little to fix that.

[reirom]

i fear nothing

dede is not better than me..

he is better in tracks the played more. and this car he played more..



i doubt he can win me in tsb tracks with my f1 car..


gimme a brake

even mike nike lost to me...

[Tijny]

i fear nothing

dede is not better than me..

he is better in tracks the played more. and this car he played more..



i doubt he can win me in tsb tracks with my f1 car..


gimme a brake

even mike nike lost to me...

Thanks for sharing your insightful thoughts, but you're still banned from this league.

[Whiplash]

i fear nothing

dede is not better than me..

he is better in tracks the played more. and this car he played more..



i doubt he can win me in tsb tracks with my f1 car..


gimme a brake

even mike nike lost to me...

hahahaah, not again.