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[Pingu]

Yes reirom, but i was driving with headache, major neck pain and very tired. I choose to start last to keep myself alive and out of the hassle around the Jurgen-Lanz starting spots, cause it would drive me crazy with my banging head. Also I didn't play turtleton anymore after it got removed from the WW. Also the level of play is very high this season because of pre releashed tracks, next time i will try to improve . Slidermasters on tops soon Reirom, you just make sure you quali once ok

And dont complain about the track reirom, if you don't like it make a track yourself which is suitable for the cup....


And also i think some D players will get in,... dide.. burn and more maybe

[Tijny]

run some laps with no ghost..

is reallly narrow man..

I'm going to try to make this as clear as possible, it seems you don't read anything that isn't written in CAPS:

1) THE TRACK IS NOT NARROW.

2) WIDER TRACKS = MORE CHAOS (MORE CARS NEXT TO EACH OTHER)

3) I TESTED WITH BOTS (WHO ARE AS FAST AS ME) AND YES, OVERTAKING IS HARD BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. I OVERTOOK THEM AND THEY OVERTOOK ME.

[reirom]

tijny bots ai is not like human ai.

ask jurgen and robben..

well i gave my cents..

the track is almost impossible to overtake with no push..

and last chicane corner is a wall... who mistake there will made all cars crash too..


my think here is not criticizing tijny is a opnion that could be avaliable .

track is really really almost full contact..

[Tijny]

my think here is not criticizing tijny is a opnion that could be avaliable .

track is really really almost full contact..

"I'm not criticizing, but the track sucks and we need a new one" - right...

Well, at least you stopped bitching about the track width.

Edit: oh, and thanks for destroying all my motivation to make new tracks.

[Mike Nike]

Edit: oh, and thanks for destroying all my motivation to make new tracks.

i sorta feared that coming.. and almost commented it after rei's post..
even its serious or not - i gotta say: nice work with the tracks tijny!
the current track, driving it for first time, it felt a bit like you cant overtake easily maybe..but in fact, i thought that of many tracks yet^^..and in fact, like in many tracks: you can do a mistake in the current track which slows you down so much that the car behind can easily pass..he just needs to be patient and try to make the car in front feeling under pressure to force him making mistakes
last track was a nice one for me, sorta..but the current one is only good for me without fuel, i think^^..race is gonna be very difficult for me, because the acceleration-no acceleration-acceleration parts include some tricky left right steer switches, which felt quite unusual to me...
so, the current track doesnt smell nice smooth driveable for my type of steering..but oh well, its still a nice track where you need some skill and a mistake is done easily..it by the way remembered me to an existing track, where i was fighting with janne and badeend back then..dark looking road, grass on side i think..dont remember the track name
whatever - from me you get still both thumbs up for the trackmaking and i hope you will keep on creating some

[Jurgen-NL]

the current track, driving it for first time, it felt a bit like you cant overtake easily maybe..but in fact, i thought that of many tracks yet^^..and in fact, like in many tracks: you can do a mistake in the current track which slows you down so much that the car behind can easily pass..he just needs to be patient and try to make the car in front feeling under pressure to force him making mistakes

I completely support this opnion/fact

Sure i wondered if this track wasnt too narrow too but experience takes time and time will give results.

When i drove with Arjen Reirom and Respekt in my private server me and Arjen were battleing for first with him being in the front,
I was right up his ass having to let up gas so i wouldnt push him but later like 6-8 laps he made a mistake and i starting accelarting like hell and passed him nicely.

However we did 18 laps for a session so he came back behind me this time with more aggression then i was behind him.
He hit my rear 4 times which didnt leave me in a good line and way more pressure to keep my speed going so after 1-2 laps he caught me again.

Me not impressed got right back behind him figured he hits my car i hit his car.
Unfortnutly for him the moment where i tried to out accelarate him in a corner, it became a reirom kamikaze hit agianst his car and he ended up in the dirt.

Now if this was a real race i wonder if i should get punished or praised.

If the people dont have patience in this game and hit my car from the back multiple times be aware.

[Whiplash]

I´d like to be part of this championship

T, dede, don't forget this guy.

[Tijny]

I'd like you people to know that designing a track that supports clean overtakes well is one of the hardest aspects of trackmaking. If anyone feels he can do a better job at it, feel free to send your tracks to me or dede. Now, I can handle criticism to a degree, but when reirom makes 27 posts in a row all stating the same thing, it kinda makes me wonder if all my hard work is worth it, when all I get in return is his shit. (and I'm also reminded why I hate him so much)

[GR8Arjen]

the current track, driving it for first time, it felt a bit like you cant overtake easily maybe..but in fact, i thought that of many tracks yet^^..and in fact, like in many tracks: you can do a mistake in the current track which slows you down so much that the car behind can easily pass..he just needs to be patient and try to make the car in front feeling under pressure to force him making mistakes

I completely support this opnion/fact

Sure i wondered if this track wasnt too narrow too but experience takes time and time will give results.

When i drove with Arjen Reirom and Respekt in my private server me and Arjen were battleing for first with him being in the front,
I was right up his ass having to let up gas so i wouldnt push him but later like 6-8 laps he made a mistake and i starting accelarting like hell and passed him nicely.

However we did 18 laps for a session so he came back behind me this time with more aggression then i was behind him.
He hit my rear 4 times which didnt leave me in a good line and way more pressure to keep my speed going so after 1-2 laps he caught me again.

Me not impressed got right back behind him figured he hits my car i hit his car.
Unfortnutly for him the moment where i tried to out accelarate him in a corner, it became a reirom kamikaze hit agianst his car and he ended up in the dirt.

Now if this was a real race i wonder if i should get punished or praised.

If the people dont have patience in this game and hit my car from the back multiple times be aware.

Well, Yes I hit you 4 times... well, hit, let's say touch.
But thats because I was faster at that moment and tried every opportunity to put you under pressure. It was just to give you a signal telling you that I won't back off when making a move so you will keep that in mind every time we race. Call it psychological warfare.

I think most of the touching was when we were semi-side by side, they were not deliberate, and there was no intention to push you ofline. But, driving side by side is indeed almost imposible to do for multible corners. The lines requiered for such thing are simply impossible. That means one of the two drivers needs to back off. Well as I told above, I didnt back off for obvious reasons. And that well, can result in some touching hehe.

I remember also, that when there was heavy contact which I noticed costing you time, I slowed down to get the battle on again. You didn't do that when you took me off and just cruised away.

To sum it up. I think that our battles were great, and fierce. I have to give you credit for driving cleaner then me when you were the chaser. But thats just a diffrence of drivingstyle. I would never do kamikaze moves or impossible moves on anybody, but I can not disapear either if were together in one corner. I also noticed that at some corners we have diffrent entry points and braking points. That means diffrent exit lines aswell. So that makes it hard to judge the outcome of any move. But then again, I will always try it. cause you make very less mistakes so there are very less chances to make a move at all.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to some more midnight madness cause it was realy fun last night.

And Tijny, your tracks are awesome, so please keep them coming. We all enjoy them, and Reirom is a one mans show, that probably would love the track too if he was able to drive fast times on it. (thats his only benchmark for grading tracks and cars) The point that he makes about the track being slim... Well, first of all, he doesn't have to make that point 27 times. But I agree on some level with him that the last chicane is a potential masacre waiting to happen with 20 cars all going for it.
But thats not a real reason to complain, it enhances realisme. Crashes do happen, just look at real F1 races. They don't complain about tight chicanes at Monza. They just go for it! And thats what we should do aswell.

Looking forward to the race already!

[Jurgen-NL]

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id like other people their opnion as we explained our POV from our fights it is both fairly spoken how we did it and why but if it was a real race 1 of us would be more mad then we are now.

id like to avoid that

[Whiplash]

Well, Yes I hit you 4 times... well, hit, let's say touch.
But thats because I was faster at that moment and tried every opportunity to put you under pressure. It was just to give you a signal telling you that I won't back off when making a move so you will keep that in mind every time we race. Call it psychological warfare.

Yeah, finally someone wrote about the things I hate the most. Arjen, that's not allowed. Hitting (touching, like you said) have to be avoided in all situations (especially, when you're behind of the opponent). If you can't overtake someone without touching, then you're to slow to do it. You have to wait better moment (even you have to wait next 5 laps).
Sometimes, even you manage to get better speed from exiting of the turn, you have to brake to avoid a hit. If you think that you can overtake him without a touch and then you make a mistake and hit him, you have to give him his position back.
I don't care about your "signals". You have to wait until you get open way. Those signals just show that you're still too slow to overtake, nothing more.
There is just one similar situation which can be tolerated:
If you see some free space for overtaking and you accidentally hit that driver by your rear tires while doing it, that's ok. That shows that you were faster enough.
I already saw many of those dirty moves in last race (especially in the rookie).
The best way to avoid all these problems is good quali. Otherwise, you have to be gentle to all drivers in front of you.

[Whiplash]

Oh Jurgen, I just watched your race. Sorry, but you were the dirtiest driver on the track. Almost 0 clean overtakes. You just did all that Arjen's moves with all drivers. You totally ruined Kyna's race by a really unfair overtake. Also, you had really nasty pit exiting (directly on the Kyna); you had to let him pass. Also, you fucked up Hevonen with the same pushing. I ll' forget all other minor unfair moves. Man, you could be punished for all that.
I'm kinda surprised how nobody didn't complain about it all. Man, REIROM would explode on Kyna's position.

[Jan]

Are these the rules that are in effect in this cup? viewtopic.php?t=1043

If not, is there any written version of them? Also if you block a player do you need to let him pass?

Also one more question: Can anyone please ban Reirom from the forums at least for some time as the only thing he does is spamming and getting on people's nerves?

[Pingu]

I agree with whip... thats quite lunatic

"It was just to give you a signal telling you that I won't back off when making a move so you will keep that in mind every time we race. Call it psychological warfare. "

This is kinda just reirom stuff and unfair play..... you can't be surprised anymore if you get divebombed by anyone in a race now

[reirom]

tijny.. man accept criticism dude, is a construtive critic i made..

i suggest to do some a test race.. serious tijny is puting the blame on me..

stop man i am friend here, i am tellling what i fell.


not me other players too, i am your friend and made a sugestion and you go all crazy.. come on man, real word ppl need to accept other opnions..
the track is really narrow for 20 cars. well you gous are so serious about push and blocking, so with this track with no intention we will block and touch is inevitable.. is my opnion. i run and saw in loco..

i made a critic to the ppl judge , if ppl think the track is good no problem i am in
is not personal tijny if was dede track or anyone i could made same comment and i talk not to piss you..

stop been so sensitive..

[Lanz]

just look at real F1 races. They don't complain about tight chicanes at Monza. They just go for it! And thats what we should do aswell.

exactly! specialy reirom for sure has no skill to make such a track! criticism from him is more then a joke! i started ingnoring his posts (400 posts full of shit)!!!!!!! but now, i think the level to get banned is now as high as it can be!
what comes next??????
i have to say this because it looks like he can do everthing and now one gives a shit about it! wich shows how far all this is gone already!
i remember that he wanted that peolple get banned because they quited the race, soooooooo????????
and T´s tracks are awesome!

[Tijny]

tijny.. man accept criticism dude, is a construtive critic i made..

Look, it's not about the criticism itself, I can accept that. It's about the way you put it. You made 11 (!!!) posts about the track being too narrow, dropped several f-bombs, called it "one of the worst tracks evar" and didn't even bother to read what I had to say about it. Those things I obviously cannot accept.

exactly! specialy reirom for sure has no skill to make such a track! criticism from him is more then a joke! i started ingnoring his posts (400 posts full of shit)!!!!!!! but now, i think the level to get banned is now as high as it can be!
what comes next??????
i have to say this because it looks like he can do everthing and now one gives a shit about it! wich shows how far all this is gone already!

I was already sick of his crap when his post count was still a single digit, but for reasons unclear to me dede keeps giving him second chances. "Because he's so funny." Bah.

[pablinho15]

ORIGINAL:

Wow que decir no? Excelente circuito,muy buen diseño.Ademas,los zig zags rapidos son increibles .Para mi todo se define en esas curvas, los errores se pagaran caro muy caro.

En la carrera un solo error y estas afuera,por eso la regularidad de las vueltas puede hacerte llegar a mejores posiciones.

Tracks points 9/10.

TSE_Monaco?

saludos

INGLES:

Wow you say no? Excellent track, excellent design, quick zigzags are excellent. For me, everything is defined in these curves, the errors are expensive pay dearly.

In race one mistake and you're out, so the regularity of the turns(laps) can make you reach higher positions.

bye

[Jurgen-NL]

Oh Jurgen, I just watched your race. Sorry, but you were the dirtiest driver on the track. Almost 0 clean overtakes. You just did all that Arjen's moves with all drivers. You totally ruined Kyna's race by a really unfair overtake. Also, you had really nasty pit exiting (directly on the Kyna); you had to let him pass. Also, you fucked up Hevonen with the same pushing. I ll' forget all other minor unfair moves. Man, you could be punished for all that.
I'm kinda surprised how nobody didn't complain about it all. Man, REIROM would explode on Kyna's position.

no offense taken but if you bothered to read my race comments it might become a little bit more clear,
anyhow tell me which lap i ruined kynas entire race

[GR8Arjen]

I agree with whip... thats quite lunatic

"It was just to give you a signal telling you that I won't back off when making a move so you will keep that in mind every time we race. Call it psychological warfare. "

This is kinda just reirom stuff and unfair play..... you can't be surprised anymore if you get divebombed by anyone in a race now

Ehm, why is the rest of my post totaly ignored. In there I explain my "moves" in detail.

I don't like unfair play, I hate unfair play. That being said, putting pressure on somebody is perfectly normal in racing, and that is what I do. If I see a gap, I make a move. (not kamikaze moves, just driving inside or outside somebody) You can expact me if you leave me room, and I will not fear having to drive next to somebody for a whole lap if that is what it takes. That's the psychological factor.
Driving side by side is perfectly possible on most of the corners at most of the tracks and doesn't have to end in tears at all. If both players just give just enough room for eachother then you will have the best fights that are possible.

And yes, sometimes you make misjudgements and because of diffrent entry or exit speeds you can touch somebody. But as I stated in my previous post, that is never intential. Besides, it won't help passing now would it? Can't drive through cars, only around them. (it aint ghost )

And incase I realy f*** it up, im the first person to release the throttle to give the position back. Heck, I even move aside for faster drivers in the Quali server if I notice that my lap is not gonna be good, and thats in ghost mode.

So dont call me an unfair driver! I'm just a bit crazy and fearless but I aint stupid. I know when I am beaten, and do not hold grudges while racing.

[Tijny]

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For me there is a very simple rule: if you stick to your own line as if you were the only driver on the track, you are never in the wrong when you hit someone. That said, I think Whiplash and Pingu were a little too quick to judge you.

[shyguy1001]

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For me there is a very simple rule: if you stick to your own line as if you were the only driver on the track, you are never in the wrong when you hit someone. That said, I think Whiplash and Pingu were a little too quick to judge you.

Hehe so if I am passing you in the.. wait a sec no if I was passing REIROM down the main straight at turtleton into turn 1 down the inside and he drove his usual inside line in the corner knocking me off course, he is surely in the wrong, if someone is on the inside of you, you must try and gain speed to fight them into the next turn by using a wider line where you wont touch them, and then try and get them back into the following turn..

I realise you know this just pointing it out for others who may take what you say at point blank.

[GR8Arjen]

I agree with Shyguy and he explains exactly what a fight is all about.

If we all just stick on the normal raceline it is like driving versus a computer with a crappy AI.

For instance: If somebody is next to you, and your approaching a left right combination you can't just ignore him. Give room and if possible stay next to him so the next corner is yours.

[Whiplash]

tijny.. man accept criticism dude, is a construtive critic i made..

[Jurgen-NL]

i couldnt find a single moment where i ruined kynas entire race
,also go watch kynas race for the first 10 laps i wonder how he came so close to me anyway probably not by pushing or myabe it was pushing.

and i think most will agree lirarn was the dirtiest driver.

think before you speak please