Quick Punaball 2vs2 Mixed Cup

[Mike Nike]

Quick PunaBall 2vs2 Mixed Cup (Saturday 24th January 2015, 20:00 CET):

Settings (different to PCL):
- Gametype: 1 leg of 5 or 8 minutes (PCL: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3079)
unless: we come up with a better system till cupstart
- Disconnections: will be handled in first place by the involved players (overtime played out in a 2nd match will be allowed for example)
- Car Colors: red vs blue or color1 vs color2, stripes etc. allowed, but not necessary
- Points: goal difference counts (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3079)
Example:
Fama Palo vs Dede Kapa 3-1
Fama Dede vs Palo Kapa 2-0
Fama Kapa vs Dede Palo 1-1
1.Fama 6-2
2.Palo 4-4
2.Dede 4-4 (in this case a cointossr.com throw will decide who is 2nd)
4.Kapa 2-6
- Cup End: ~22:00-22.30 CET

Stage 1a) Sign Up
No Signup needed.
Just show up at 20.00 CET at the server (you will see which).
Seedings will be done approx./hopefully at 20.10 CET.
If you join after the seedings, you might be out of the tourney in ~90% (depending on when you join, a re-seeding might still be possible).

Pre Seedings

1 A Tijny
2 A Fama
3 A Badeend
4 A Palo
5 A Sig
6 A Rub
7 A Kapa
8 A Dede
9 B StealthBD
10 B Jan
11 B Olio
12 B Mike Nike
13 B Xzeal
14 B Lavon
15 B Kyna
16 B Luka
17 C Oompa
18 C Jurgen
19 C Reirom
20 C RSX
21 C Whiplash
22 C Hejman
23 C Fatty
24 D Szymek
25 D Shyguy
26 D Muffin
27 D Arsen
28 D Popowitch
29 D Etmil


Stage 2) Seedings (live at the LVP server, if possible - or, more likely: done with an excel tool of mine)

the seedings creator (most likely me) will totally ch..*eh not cheat, of cvoprozdro! and then gonna major fail by losing all matches anyway.


Stafe 3) The Cup:
- played in LVP 1 and 3 (or whatever server seems best), as soon as Tijny & Co. are ok with that.
- cupsystem depending on amount of players showing up:

A group/round will always be played like that:
Seeds: 1(highest skilled),2,3,4
Matches:
1: 12vs34
2: 13vs24
3: 14vs23

6 players; matches: 3, 3
Rnd A: 03,04,05,06 (places 5-6 will be determined) short games (5min)
Final: 01,02,A1,A2 (places 1-4) long games (8min)

7 players 3,3
Rnd A: 04,05,06,07 (places 5-7) short games
Final: 01,02,03,A1 (places 1-4) long games

8 players 3+3,3+3
SemiA: 01,08,04,05 long games
SemiB: 02,07,03,06 long games
Pl5-8: A3,A4,B3,B4 (places 5-8) long games
Final: A1,A2,B1,B2 (places 1-4) long games

9 players
see 8 players
9th who joins cant play, unless he is an "A-Player" (top8) and joined in time

10 players 3,3+3,3+3
Rnd 1: 07,08,09,10 (places 9-10) short games, top2 go to next round
Rest: see 8 players

11 players 3,3+3,3+3
Rnd 1: 08,09,10,11 (places 9-11) short games, top1 goes to next round
Rest: see 8 players

12 players 3+3,3+3,3+3
[Top 4 are in semifinal already]
5-12 will play quarter final (see SemiA-B @8players for seedings)
top2 of each quarter final will join semifinal (A1=5th,A2=8th,B1=6th,B2=7th)

13 players
see 12 players
13th cant join (see 9 players)

14 players 3,3+3,3+3,3+3
Rnd A: 11,12,13,14 (places 13-14) short games, top2 go to round B
Rnd B: see 12 players

15 players 3,3+3,3+3,3+3
Rnd A: 12,13,14,15 (places 13-15) short games, top1 goes to round B
Rnd B: see 12 players

16 players 3+3+3+3,3+3,3+3
QuarterA: 01,16,08,09 long games
QuarterB: 04,13,05,12 long games
QuarterC: 03,14,06,11 long games
QuarterD: 02,15,07,10 long games
SemiE: A1,B1,B2,A2 long games
SemiF: C1,D1,D2,C2 long games
Pl05-08: Btm2 of Semis long games
Pl01-04: Top2 of Semis long games

17 players
cant join (unless group A or B player)
see 16 players

20,24,28,32 players
i dont expect that many, but if a wonder happens:
20: top4 seeds in semifinal, bottom16 play quarters (4xtop1 goes to semifinal)
alternative: bottom8 play out the slots 13-16 (top2 of each group) -> adds 1x24min+ to the cuptime
24: 6 quarterfinal groups, top1 go to semifinal, and from the groups where seed7 and 8 play, the top2. [1x24min+ added]
alternative: bottom16 play out the slots 9-16 (top2 of each group) -> adds 2x24min+ to the cuptime
28: 7 quarterfinal groups, top1 go to semifinal, and from the group with seed8, the top2. [2x24min+ added]
alternative: bottom16 play out the slots 13-16 (top1 of each group) -> adds 2x24min+ to the cuptime
32: 8 quarterfinal groups, top1 go to semifinal [2x24min+ added]
alternative: 8 1/8th final groups, top2 go to quarterfinal [4x15min added - short games]

i mainly prefer the alternatives.
other systems and gamelengths suggestions welcome!


so, with 16 players the cup would take at least 10min+4x24min, add the time between matches and the bla bla ...so 2-2.5 hours you should consider as possible.

[xzeal]

so that Preseeding - I do hope it is based on previous cup results or something, otherwise you are opening the pandoras box here. Lots of big Punaball egos and some odd placements too.

Like team + is ... Well I agree where Tijny is, all the rest is a bit off, especially the order of us.

[Mike Nike]

well, it is probably 30%ish pandora

see viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3078
@Example of "weighted" rankings as pre-seeding (average rank, weighted by votes of: example 95% Fama, 51% Mike, 36% Reirom)

so, i took my own ranking, which was based on partly cupresults (with more weight on last cups i think), partly offcup matches, i think.
from that ranking i think i have chosen the "weight" of peoples votes, so...famas vote took more weight to the final seeding, while reiroms did just 36/(36+51+95)~=20%
probably i should have used famas vote as "weightbase" though.

any seedings suggestions welcome - just pm me
also, i dont mind if there are reserved slots or not.
and (if yes,) if reserved slots should be for highest skilled players, randomly chosen or for most active players or for earliest connected players or a mix of some of these attributes.

[Jan]

I'll be there!

[kapa112]

Wtf, why do I lose in the example? Anyway, too bad I have plans already arranged for Saturday evening, cause I would gladly join otherwise.

[Fama]

It's already arranged for saturday night right? Can't promise my presence. On sunday yes I can, otherwise I will try to be there on time saturday

[Rub1]

deal me in!

[Fama]

Yo! Is it possible if you could count on with me for tonight? But I will be playing football from 18:00 to 19:00 so I think i'll be here around 19:30/20:00 uk time (21:00 CET time), if you assume it's not possible, I guess i'll just watch you play and substitute any player that is struggling with connection or so.

[Mike Nike]

there is a solid chance we gonna play a system where topX seeds are autoseeded into a higher round (final or semifinal).
i will mark you then as registered and try to arrange something all are somewhat happy with, but cant promise anything.

id actually like the idea anyway of creating a bit of a league thingy. more of that later..

[xzeal]

well I take it officially registering is not a thing in this cup, but I will do so anyway just to be sure. I am bit offended that I am ranked below olio , but in the end all that matters is how I play so I will live with it- anyway I will show up on time and I expect to be made some space otherwise I will create drama!!!

[/speech by drunk xzeal]

EDIT; also Mike, change your avatar, when it says reirom (and some fine print) I am automatically fooled into ignoring everything that post says [/speech xzeal in his new apartment with his new super awesome internet connectioin (100/50mbit for 25 euros, that he is not sharing with anyone, cause he is finally officially independen), also if anyone is visiting Estonia I can set you up for a few nights, not saying cause I am drunk, but am actually serious (as long as you are staying in the capital) ask me when I am sober if you doubt me, PS; does not apply to reirom, he is not welcome here.

[Mike Nike]

Here an example of my excel tool, which creates a bit of a random seed shuffle.
At the server i will ask 2 people to tell a number (0..9) and then upload a htm with 00-99 different seedings..

http://mikenike.pf-control.de/ts/cups/p ... xample.htm

lets imagine xzeal says 7, Rub 1, we got random seed 71, where Tijny dropped to seed 9.
i will generate a new 100 random seedings now and will upload it immediately after a 2 digit number has been called out.

im gonna quickly write something to autosort and show the draw result...

Edit:
the seedings will be visible here:

around 20.05 CET:
http://mikenike.pf-control.de/ts/cups/p ... _final.htm

around 20.10 CET:
http://mikenike.pf-control.de/ts/cups/p ... final2.htm

i might make an exception for fama though, depending on how many show up, placing him at seed 1 with everyone else who are higher placed by the "random seed" dropping 1 lower.

[xzeal]

[still very drunk]

Still .. ranked below olio?

Olio?


Cmon!!!


Geesh...


[/still very drunk]

[Mike Nike]

There is a decent chance the system will change to a step system:

Round A: Seeds 9,10,11,12: 3 games a 5min
Round B: 7,8,A1,A2: 3 games a 5min
Round C: 5,6,B1,B2: 3 games a 5min
Round D: 3,4,C1,C2: 3 games a 8min
Round E: 1,2,D1,D2: 3 games a 8min

that's kind of the league structure i'm prefering anyway for future cups.
with pre registering it would allow good players to show up later instead of waiting 60min+ to play.
also, good players could join late in the cup and still get lucky to take part, as long the cup hasn't "passed" their seed yet.
unfortunately most people will only play 3-6 matches then (30-48min), which is probably fine though.
also with a lot of players the cuplength will be quite long. in those cases, lowest seats might have 2 parallel qualification rounds, maybe.

with more than 12 players, i think we gonna play a mixed system: the ones i mentioned, but with 8 players remaining: the step system, with Fama seeded on place 1 (so he will reach at least place 4 in this cup).

[Kooler]

I wanna join ... is it possible?

[Mike Nike]

Participants:

1 Fama
2 Palo
3 Tijny
4 Jan
5 Rub
6 Mike Nike
7 Xzeal
8 Kooler
9 Kyna_Musti
10 Reirom
11 RSX
12 Popowitch



12 PLAYERS REMAINING:

20.20 2-3 Kyna_Musti Reirom vs RSX Popowitch
20.28 2-1 Kyna_Musti RSX vs Reirom Popowitch
20.35 4-1 Kyna_Musti Popowitch vs Reirom RSX

ties winning order: Kyna, Rei, RSX, Popowitch

1 08-05 Kyna_Musti
2 08-05 Popowitch
3 06-07 RSX
4 04-09 Reirom



10 PLAYERS REMAINING:

20.51 3-3 Xzeal Kooler vs Kyna_Musti Popowitch
20.58 3-3 Xzeal Kyna_Musti vs Kooler Popowitch [they switched sides]
21.07 1-6 Xzeal Popowitch vs Kooler Kyna_Musti

ties winning order: Xzeal, Kooler, Kyna, Popowitch
unless all are placed 1st (all draws), then last game will be goldengoal with randomized teams!

1 12-07 Kooler
2 12-07 Kyna_Musti
3 07-12 Xzeal
4 07-12 Popowitch



8 PLAYERS REMAINING:

21.18 1-5 Rub Mike Nike vs Kooler Kyna_Musti
21.25 2-1 Rub Kooler vs Mike Nike Kyna_Musti
21.31 5-0 Rub Kyna_Musti vs Mike Nike Kooler

ties winning order: Rub, Mike Nike, Kooler, Kyna_Musti

1 11-03 Kyna_Musti
2 08-06 Rub
3 07-07 Kooler
4 02-12 Mike Nike



6 PLAYERS REMAINING: [8min games now]

21.52 3-2 Tijny Jan vs Kyna_Musti Rub
22.01 3-2 Tijny Kyna_Musti vs Jan Rub
22.10 6-2 Tijny Rub vs Jan Kyna_Musti

ties winning order: Tijny, Jan, Kyna_Musti, Rub

1 12-06 Tijny
2 10-08 Rub
3 07-11 Jan
4 07-11 Kyna_Musti



FINAL:

22.33 5-4 Fama Palo vs Tijny Rub
22.43 7-3 Fama Tijny vs Palo Rub
22.53 5-6 Fama Rub vs Palo Tijny
23.01 end of tourney

1 17-13 Fama
1 17-13 Tijny
3 14-16 Palo
4 12-18 Rub


## Top04 Top06 Top08 Top10 Top12; Score WDL -> 1vs1 comparison Wins/Draws/Losses

Code: Select all

RESULTS:
01 17-13 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx; 17-13 210 Fama
01 17-13 12-06 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx; 29-19 510 Tijny
03 14-16 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx; 14-16 102 Palo
04 12-18 10-08 08-06 xx-xx xx-xx; 30-32 405 Rub
05 xx-xx 07-11 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx; 07-11 012 Jan
05 xx-xx 07-11 11-03 12-07 08-05; 38-26 732 Kyna_Musti
07 xx-xx xx-xx 07-07 12-07 xx-xx; 19-14 312 Kooler
08 xx-xx xx-xx 02-12 xx-xx xx-xx; 02-12 003 Mike Nike
09 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx 07-12 xx-xx; 07-12 222 Xzeal
09 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx 07-12 08-05; 07-12 222 Popowitch
11 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx 06-07; 06-07 102 RSX
12 xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx xx-xx 04-09; 04-09 003 Reirom

[Jurgen-NL]

darn couldnt play seems this went smoothly enough though and is a nice setup for future events to host more often
in which case i will be in.

congratz to fama and tijny seems shared 1st place, a solid 3rd by palo and the finishing touch to rubs 4th place to complete the final 4

[Tijny]

The wait was pretty long for the higher seeds, too long I would say. But all in all, I played some nice matches. Especially in the final round, where the atmosphere was very lighthearted, and sharing the win with my homie Fama was the best outcome I could've wished for.

Still, the format could use a little work. Maybe in the future with a similar amount of players, we could have two ladders instead of one, with the best two of each competing in the final round. Two ladders of six players, I think that could work very nicely.

[Mike Nike]

yup, 2 ladders with 6 equals the 12 player format with the quarter finals, which i like as well.
people who like games with mixed skills, might prefer this.

with baseranks:
Fama would then have 1 or 2 rounds.
Reirom could theoreticly have 1, 2 or 3 rounds.

random seeds:
here everyone can have 1 or 2...or 1,2 or 3 rounds.
i really dont like that.

league/ladder system:
if 14 show up for example:
with baseranks:
server 1: seed 11,12,13,14 play
server 2: seed 7,8,9,10 play
3x8min later:
server 1: seed 1,2,3,4 play
server 2: seed 5,6,[top0-2 of server2 from before] play (up to 2 players can still join, who have better baseranks than the top2 from server2)
so, there would be no real cupwinner, kinda.
1st in server 1 could be called the winner of a mini season or the cup result will just once again influence the baseranks in a way, there is actually a normal season running and the winner is the one with the best baserank in the end (who at least played a certain amount of cups). a bit of a ladder ranking, if you want so.

league/ladder system:
same, but with everyone being able to play 2 rounds:
server1: seed 8,9,12,13
server2: seed 7,10,11,14
server1: top2 of both servers
server2: bottom2 of both servers
2x3x8min done in the cup, seed 1 to 6 had to wait so far...
server1: seed 1,4,5,8 (8=a latecomer or 2nd place in last round of server1)
server2: seed 2,3,6,7 (7=a latecomer or 1st place in last round of server1)
server1: top2 of both servers
server2: bottom2 of both servers
in this format, with 16 players (due to latecomers), the bottom 8 cant win the cup (basicly 2 cups are played, like the pro race and the amateur race we had back then).
with 13-15 players, every participant could win.
with 16 players in the beginning, well..there could be quaterfinals from the beginning, of course.