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Noob's Guide to TS

Post by iBlaze² » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:19 pm

OK, this is an idea that I recently came up with to help the "noobs" (such as myself) to get to grips with all the different modes of TS.

Basically, I think it would be helpful for the more experienced players to leave comments in this thread giving their own hints and tips about how they play so well in the different modes.

The more advice that us "noobs" can get, the better we will become at the different game modes. This will mean not only more satisfaction for the "noobs", but also better gameplay for the more experienced players, who will consequently have more people to challenge them for the win.

It will also mean that time will be saved in the game, as "noobs" will understand what they are supposed to do in the different modes without the more experienced players having to spend their game-playing time trying to explain. We'd also avoid silly situations such as people who are supposed to be attacking trying to defend their base in the defend the flag mode (as we saw the other night).

Anyway, there are so many different game modes...

> X-Bumpz
> X-Bumpz Racing
> Infiltration
> Defend The Flag
> Rough Racing
> Fairplay Racing
> Knockout
> Teamplay
> Punaball (dede, djlol and storm will all agree that I need as much help as possible at this!)

...and there's probably more that I've either forgotten or haven't encountered yet. So this will take quite a few players and quite a lot of time to put together, but I think it would be worth it for everyone.

Every little helps :)

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Post by Tijny » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:39 pm

Good idea, I've been planning to write some guides on Punaball & driving lines for the past 3 years or so, but never really finished anything because I'm not such a good writer. :P
Anyway, maybe it's better to have dede set up a TS wiki that can easily be modified by anyone, and contents will surely follow.

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Post by dede » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:56 pm

Tijny wrote:Anyway, maybe it's better to have dede set up a TS wiki that can easily be modified by anyone, and contents will surely follow.
Yeah, it has been running in my mind for some time, together with a blog system and a section dedicated to teams. Probably the wiki is the most needed right now. I'll see what I can do.

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Post by Punatiainen » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:11 am

Well in Punaball one common thing to remember is, that after goal you shouldn't intercept before opposition player or the ball itself has crossed the middle line. So let the other team to start their build-up first.

Another common mistake in Punaball is, that you shouldn't go in the same corner than your teammate. This gives opponent counterattack opportunity when you are attacking, or will leave your goal unguarded while defending. Still sometimes it may be useful to press opponent with two players, but i think this is something to be remembered in general.

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Post by Janne » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:19 am

Another Punaball tip: Never enter playing with grumpy and experienced "Punaball professionals" unless you're one of them.

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Post by dede » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:23 pm

Janne wrote:Another Punaball tip: Never enter playing with grumpy and experienced "Punaball professionals" unless you're one of them.
Yes, that's a typical noob behaviour: to feel "too bad" for playing together with experienced players. There are seasoned players writing comments after every mistake, but most of they are just joking (it's a game after all).
PunaBall is a nice game, doesn't require much skills and lot of training to become an average player, so it's a noob-friendly mod. Players can be more or less noob-friendly, but that's the life.

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Post by Storm » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:02 pm

There are 2 kinds of noobs, the naturaly noobs(we all were) and the dumb-noobs, the major difference is to understand that its a TEAM Game and not a all vs all shit.Dont go to all balls, let ur partner fight the play and cover his back if something go wrong,he will do the same and u start playing as a team. for me thats the most important.The rest u'll improve as u play, miss a suregoal,a bad bounce, miss a ball,thats perfectly natural.
As u play more and more u'll find out byurself some other things,like the prediction on some common moves and the importance of speed.

Janne wrote:Another Punaball tip: Never enter playing with grumpy and experienced "Punaball professionals" unless you're one of them.
well if u are a dumb-noob like Janne u better not, if u are just a noob u better do, cause the best way to learn its to play against/with good players.
Players like dede, matti, Ratt.. are more adaptable and maybe easier to play with (i'll give u a candy if u can piss off matti).
About the comments,Its a game and we fool around,its up to you to take it serious or not.


Tijny that driving lines guide would be awesome.

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Post by Janne » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:45 pm

Storm wrote:well if u are a dumb-noob like Janne u better not
What made you angry this time, pre-puberty?
Storm wrote:Players like dede, matti, Ratt.. are more adaptable and maybe easier to play with (i'll give u a candy if u can piss off matti).
Yeah, not everyone likes to start whining to his/her opponents. I'm mostly not trying to piss off anyone, but if someone like you starts whining too much, being irritative is simply part of the fun.
Storm wrote: About the comments,Its a game and we fool around,its up to you to take it serious or not.
If you mean whether I take the whiner serious: How I ever could?

If you mean whether I take Punaball serious: No, I play it just for fun, but it's shame when whiners like you want to take the fun out and want everyone to play as seriously as they do.

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Post by Storm » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:46 pm

did i wrote in portuguese?...sigh

1st of all the "u" wasnt for you, was for the noobs, u a dumb-noob, the kinda dumb-noob that enters a punaball server and start f*cking things up, taking ages to play, crossing the line etc..etc..
The kinda dumb-noob that has the power to empty out a server quickly, if u dont like puna just dont join.

we are trying to help players here, and u certnaly not a good example.

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Post by Janne » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:55 pm

Storm wrote:u a dumb-noob, the kinda dumb-noob that enters a punaball server and start f*cking things up, taking ages to play, crossing the line etc..etc..
Wasn't that you? First you started to whine, then crossed the line many times, then whined bit more, then stopped to play completely, and yet some more whine. :?

I can't know who're you talking to when you quote me and use your "u"-words when answering.

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Post by Chevron » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:03 pm

U-boot?

Anyway, the best advice I can give is: don't be an ALONSO. When you figure that out, you've got a bit more experience. 8)
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Post by iBlaze² » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:21 pm

Thanks for all the suggestions people. I'm taking them on-board :)

My big problem with Punaball is the fact that I end up watching the ball more than my car and then I drive into everything possible (including team-mates lol). Maybe it's just something that the more you practise at, the better you get?

Tijny wrote:maybe it's better to have dede set up a TS wiki that can easily be modified by anyone, and contents will surely follow
That's a great idea. That way, each game mode could have a whole section including how to play, rules for that game mode and also any tricks or tips on how to become better at that game mode :D

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Post by Tijny » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:38 pm

iBlaze² wrote:My big problem with Punaball is the fact that I end up watching the ball more than my car and then I drive into everything possible (including team-mates lol). Maybe it's just something that the more you practise at, the better you get?
Yep, that's a common problem. Veteran players can drive their car around without even looking at it, so they can completely focus on the ball and predict where it will go. It all comes with practice. :)

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Post by Mouse » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:32 pm

Punaball mostly just requires experience to build skills. You're not going to learn how to "flick" the ball by someone by reading a how-to. I'm not saying a guide for noobs is a bad idea (I think it's a great one) but the biggest tip of all is to practice, and learn your own play style.

I would suggest that newbies try and find players of a similar skill level to start (though it may be hard). It's hard to learn technique when playing against someone like dede or Tijny, who have great ball control (like many others).

Also, question for Storm: how serious do you take every-day punaball games? I's curious because I have some memories of playing with you when you began TS....
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Post by Storm » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:52 pm

why u asking? i dont take it serious at all,not even competition games, i just play relaxed and try to have fun, but i like playable punaball and i sure hate 4 guys driving like maniacs chasing a ball as i hate guys that just dont let a game be a game. But i found the solution for that...
I remenber u also

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Post by Squall » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:15 pm

Chevron wrote:don't be an ALONSO. When you figure that out, you've got a bit more experience. 8)
do you mean - go into a server, as the round is coming to an end announce you are opening a server, give a list of cars, etc then leave...but nobody follows you? :lol:
At the end of the day, it's only a game!

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Post by dede » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:44 pm

Squall wrote:do you mean - go into a server, as the round is coming to an end announce you are opening a server, give a list of cars, etc then leave...but nobody follows you? :lol:
No, he means that you can't play PunaBall 2v2 using zoom 1.3 on a 13'' laptop. You need to see at least 90% of the field while playing 2v2, so all other options will just f*** up your play, even if you are a top player.

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Post by Etmil » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:11 am

X-Bumpz
I'm not very good at xbumpz, but perhaps a good idea is to take a certain player and strategically try and follow him and knock the car out. And then one-by-one like that.. Of course, you must always have your eyes open for every opportunity to score.
X-Bumpz Racing
What's that? Racing tracks with 'kill-terrains' in some parts of it?
Infiltration
No advice at all, 'cause I've never really managed to shoot anyone in the opposing team, not to mention stay alive myself. I just totally suck at this.
Defend The Flag
Um.. not sure what that is, I probably suck as much at this as in infiltration.
Rough Racing
Rough racing can be very fun if you learn a few techniques like not staying on the inside at the first turn on lap 1, another thing is that you have to know your way, studying the tracks in the TrackEditor sometimes helps. Or just playing them through alone. So you'd always know where you HAVE to go, some tracks are very tricky. Hairpin turns are the best places to knock people out, also other sharp curves. Main thing is that, you have to know your way, stay out from trouble by predicting moves from other players, make diversionary movements when you see people initiating their attempts to 'bump you off'. It doesn't always succeed, but I think when you master these elements, you are much better off and more experienced in this kind of racing.
Fairplay Racing
Fairplay racing, as the name already indicates, is the exact opposite of rough racing. You can not knock people out, yet your goal is still to win. In order to achieve good results, you must be fairly quick with every default car. Another thing is to be consistently quick and have stable laptimes. No, you must not be the fastest, but sometimes being fairly quick is better than to be the fastest at some point, lose concentration and then crash and drop to the back of the grid. Overtaking is difficult, it depends on the car, of course, but a good tactic is to prepare for your maneuvre 3-4 turns in advance, taking a different line, so that you can accelerate to a longer straight earlier than your opponent would and gain necessary time and get the advantage from that. Be consistent and fairly quick, have a stable driving line and prepare for your overtaking moves, don't crash and don't knock others out. When you do crash and somebody loses time because of your mistake, let the person pass you as that's polite to do.
Knockout
Never really played that..
Teamplay
Teamplay is fun, you got to be very accurate and cooperate with your teammate. As it's only Speeder+AntiSlider, you have to be able to drive quick and accurately with both. I'd say that getting good in teamplay just needs time and patience to learn the tracks that have been created so far, and not to get angry when your first attempts at crossing the hurdles together with your teammate fail. You will have to try many-many times in the beginning, but you'll get better at it once you know the way and what to do in certain situations. Also, play with both cars to get skilled.
Punaball
Always know where the ball is, always see what your teammate is doing and don't rush to the ball all the time. Sometimes try to play the goalkeeper, which doesn't mean you only stay in front of your goal, but make it your priority to stop the opposing team's all attempts to score. You'll learn by playing, mostly. Don't be afraid to lose, in even matches (the same number of players on both sides), you're allowed to bump other players, that can give you an advantage over your opponent. Just don't rush into your teammate, see the field, what you can do, where to pass etc. Again, just play and play to get experience. You'll probably work out the best tactics for yourself.

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Post by Mouse » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:43 pm

Storm wrote:why u asking? i dont take it serious at all,not even competition games, i just play relaxed and try to have fun, but i like playable punaball and i sure hate 4 guys driving like maniacs chasing a ball as i hate guys that just dont let a game be a game. But i found the solution for that...
I remenber u also
I'm asking because I remember you swearing at me because were were losing a game. Remembering that, I found it interesting that you say you don't take puna games serious.
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Post by Etmil » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:37 am

Could we please keep arguments off this thread? It's meant for helping newcomers, you see.. :|

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Post by olio » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:24 pm

It's puna, it can't be played without someone pissing off, so it shouldn't be discussed without that either.

(btw, Janne, I wan't to test puna with you!)

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Post by Janne » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:21 pm

olio wrote: (btw, Janne, I wan't to test puna with you!)
[It's ok to me (I'll pwn you big time)].

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