night mod

[Mouse]

I think if Jazzy did not put the word "mod" on his project, this discussion would not exist. It is a track and car that gives the feel of racing at night. It is not going to change the game, people are not going to stop racing Forestry with the EasySliders to go race all night on Jazzy's track, it is simply a new track and car innovation, like Jazz said, what is the problem?

New game types, in my opinion, are not hurting the community. Old school drivers may be turned off, but why do you think new drivers will?

Lets say Mr. Topo wants to buy the game, he has only played the DEMO and has enjoyed it, what do you think looks better:

A - 23 default tracks with 5 cars. Some other custom (and sometimes horrible) tracks on PTX server.

B - All of A. Punaball, fuel+damage racing, battle mode, photoshoped tracks ect....

I would think that the new player (Mr. Topo) would like to get B, it has much more than A (this seems logical).

I have played punaball with a friend, i asked before "do you play puna often?" he said "i got the game for punaball, racing just came as a bonus." There are many people like this. This is totally a true story.

Having one form of the game can appeal to cirten people. But having many things to do will appeal to more. Some people like F1, TS has F1 type racing, i think that person will enjoy the game more with it.

As for people quiting, one big factor are these a-holes in the servers pushing them away. A new player is not going to be as good as a player who is 1 year into the game, and the faster (many of them) drivers are not nice to the newbies. In my first days, i had to encounter many a-holes telling me how much i sucked. Hmmmmm, good thing i loved this game so much, otherwise i would have quit.

To sum up, i dont think Mods are hurting the community. They are building the game to make it appeal to more people.

My tracks folder has quite a few new "mods" inside. I am now scared to even talk about them in public, because people make it seem like i am killing the game by making them.

Well Jazzy, sorry for posting off-topic again, i wanted to throw my thoughts in on this.

[Newton]

I like to draw a line of what I think is a good 'mod' or whatever you want to call it now. Punaball, Xbumps, Disabling (or what was it) are made of stuff that you have already in the standard ts. Although I'm not interested in moding the game in anyway I can understand the people who like playing football with the cars and having destruction derby like action in Xbumps. Even I would enjoy a few games now and then. BUT taking the graphics to a higher level than the standard game might make the old stuff look bad. (For me it will never look better but for some people the graphics paly too big role.) By upgrading the graphics you will rise the expectations of new players. Especially if you advertise ts by this new night feature which makes the game look like Need For Speed Carbon. You have to understand that you are ruining the whole game by doing this, even if you mean good. I know this is exaggerating but think about driving easy-slider in the world of Project Gotham Racing. Mouse said, "tle mode, photoshoped tracks ect...." We have to ask want we want from this game. Do we eventually want it to change to a 3D game.
Would you like to see ts as a 3D game?

Jazzy suggested to even add a animated tile support to ts. A guy waving a flag when finishing a race could be nice like in slicks n' slide but somehow I feel he has something a lot bigger in his mind. Not that I would forbid you from doing it but can you all imagine what could be done with that feature? A few more years and you can't even say if this is ts or some other racing game (or football or hockey game.)

Newton wrote:
If we had only one way to play the game (doesn't matter which it would be.. racing, pb...) the players had no choice but to play it that way.

Dragonstar commented:
They'd have a choice, to quit playing.

Maybe I didn't say it clearly enough. This is a situation we have made by ourselves by implementing all these mods. If we had no mods, there wouldn't be this problem. In basic racing there's a lot of varying setup possibilities so that everyone that are interested in racing in the first place will find their own favorite. (At this moment this is only a minor but growing factor.)

Feel free to comment.

[Mouse]

The only real mod that i see people playing often is Punaball. XBumpz, the Disable Game and Battle mode are played hardly ever. Each mod will have it's week will everyone will play, but it will soon die out again (this has happend for a long time).

In my opinion, photoshopped tracks are not hurting anything. What is the problem with a realistic looking track? It does not make the default tracks look bad. Honestly, i cant think of anyone who like PS tracks better than default style tracks.

PS tracks pretty much never show up in auto servers. The only time you really see them is in private sessions (invites and friends) and in leagues. TSB has their own servers with PS tracks... but they seem to the very active!

Anyway, i just dont see how PS tracks and new game types are hurting anything..... They are not superior (i think everyone agrees on this) so what is the problem?

[Jazzyclub]

the problem was: why this idea of night lights aren't coming from a finnish guy?

i can only reach this since 2003 (when i start to play ts) all the thing coming out are shit! only if this coming from finland is great...

i can wrong but my impression was this...

[Hengari]

i can wrong but my impression was this...

You're wrong.

I haven't seen any "this is shit because it's not from some finnish dude" attitude. Can't you just realize that someone just don't like those "new" ideas and critizice it. What comes to Newtons opinions about the game, he is just crazy and nevermind him.

[The Dude]

This night mod looks nice in my eyes. There are people who like mods and other who don't, I just think this mod could be used in some organized cups.
It seems well made and could be fun on a special Le Mans cup with day and night races.

[dede]

i can only reach this since 2003 (when i start to play ts) all the thing coming out are shit! only if this coming from finland is great...

Nah, I'm sure it's not like this .. hermmm ... HERMMM eh.. oke enouff

Anyway, Newton seems some old player still playing 0.86 only because he doesn't want to pay 20$ for the game. The main problem is:

- if a mod is coming from players / community, it is ALWAYS WELCOME, because it's adding new features to the game;

- if a mod is coming from Ande and it's not used, then this mod is a huge amount of time that Ande could have put in something better.

Mainly I'd say that xBowl and Battle are bad mods for this reason, though MANY players had these mods in the top of their wish-list (me too!).
I think that new game's features should be discussed deeply in the forum before implementing them. SInce Ande doesn't have a lot of time for TS right now, we should help him deciding what's the most important/working thing to implement.

[Newton]

Anyway, Newton seems some old player still playing 0.86 only because he doesn't want to pay 20$ for the game. -dede

dede, You must be a real dumbass when saying something like that. I have made clear what are the reasons I'm not wasting my money to this game. It should be easy for even you to understand. If you once had a Porche and someone would offer you a Lada with higher price for replace, would you be dumb enough to take it? Money has nothing to do with my opinion and like I have said multiple times in IRC I would gladly pay that 17e if 0.86b main server would be re-establish and the old community size restored. I know what I'm talking about and what comes to Hengari's comment, he also is as ignorant on this money matter.

ps. You haven't even been there when ts had it's best times and still you pull out that kind of stupid lines. It seems that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

[dede]

dede, You must be a real dumbass when saying something like that.

Thanks for the polite comment
So I was right! No license! So, please let me ask a question.. how are you supposed to know what's TS right now? I think that TS is still a racing game, though some new cool features were added (punaball, fuel). Racing works like in old 0.86b, no changes but the pro mode.
Anyway, now I got why your opinion is like that, no need to continue this conversation. If you want to buy the full version, please contact me: I'll loose some time showing you all the cool features I described before..

It seems that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

I have no clue of what I'm talking about? EH? I'm just a crazy dumbass (just to use your words) that plays this game everyday since July 2005, that is spending many hours in order to help JGG selling licenses and to create something useful for the game. And you? Who are you? Are you a TS player? It doesn't seem so. It's not my own problem if you'd like to play full version but you don't want to pay 20$. Maybe Ande can give you a free license so you will start enjoying again. Hopefully he won't. Thanks, these guys aren't welcome in TS community.

[Mouse]

HMMM! A person judges a game which he has never played?

I was going to ask before, where did you come from? I have never heard of you, and you show up one day to judge TS? This is odd....

I think everyone has a right to their opinions, but in this case, yours are pointless. Should i go on the Nintendo forums and complain about the Wii console tonight? Nope, because i dont have a Wii.

Anyway, i totally agree with Dede.

[Newton]

Did you guys even read my last comment?
And dede don't expect me to be polite to you if you insult me like you did again.
(You might find answers to following questions)

I was going to ask before, where did you come from? I have never heard of you, and you show up one day to judge TS? This is odd.... -mouse

HMMM! A person judges a game which he has never played? -mouse

Are you serious?

It's not my own problem if you'd like to play full version but you don't want to pay 20$. -dede

Read again.

I'll loose some time showing you all the cool features I described before..

...

Are you a TS player? It doesn't seem so. -dede

You really made my day with this one.

Anyway, now I got why your opinion is like that, no need to continue this conversation. -dede

Read again.

I really appreciate your efforts to boost the game and I don't want to sound harsh or be unpolite, so please don't be yourselves. I keep having conversation just becuase I care about ts. Saying something like you did in that money matter is very naive. It's easy to call people mingy if they aren't buying the game but maybe you should realise that there can be other factors that count a whole lot more.

ps. I already said in my 1st message in this topic that since you have started so much later than I, this conversation with you wouldn't be sensible.

[dede]

Did you guys even read my last comment?
And dede don't expect me to be polite to you if you insult me like you did again.

Oh, you are wrong, boy. Let me explain: you can find comments' authors checking the poster on the left side of the page. You'll see that those insults are coming from "Newton", not from "dede".

I don't want to sound harsh or be unpolite

I keep having conversation just becuase I care about ts.

:o

ps. I already said in my 1st message in this topic that since you have started so much later than I, this conversation with you wouldn't be sensible.

I'm discussing of TS 1.xx and I know it pretty much. You are discussing of TS 1.xx though you aren't a TS 1.xx player.
If players had thought that TS 0.86b was better, then they wouldn't have bought TS 1.xx.

[Etana]

Newton problem is in how you think. I mean when you say: "I would gladly pay that 17e if 0.86b main server would be re-establish and the old community size restored", if you would get full version there would be one more active player? IF some others think same way, TS is "losing" them too. Getting more players to full servers will make your wish true. More than 10 players in PTX servers haven't been so rare sight in past weeks. In overall track design has improved in all areas so you don't probably want exact 0.86 server back? In the end game development shouldn't stop...

As of the graphics you are kind of true. When I play 0.86 tracks at these days graphics feels quite crappy compared to 1.00. Possibility that new players feel little betrayed grows, if they see much better detailed tracks than most are. On the other hand graphics and detail use made quite big jump from 0.86 to 1.00, so improvement from current ones wouldn't probably feel that big. In my opinion there is no real need to improve graphics more. If I happen to want "eye candy", I would search it elsewhere.

Hmm... and what about mods... Well mods are usually welcome to any game. Those creates more possibilities in the game, but its also "double edged sword", because mods can cover basic idea of the game. When product goal is to please everyone, it may fail everything... So as long as different mods doesn't stop improvement of the core idea, future looks bright

[Xaykev]

I'll guess it is ok with some fun mods like punaball etc...
but I play this game mainly because of its racing.

The night mod is nice imo since it can be used in some races (not all)
to have more variation.

I also liked when the added fuel and pitstop, this makes longer races
very cool.

But it is also very important to keep the game simple and have the
focus on online races.

One thing I would like to be worked on is to reduce the lag when playing
online. It is very annoying when racing very good and in the last round
the lag cause you to lose your number 1 spot.

So to keep it short: keep the focus on online racing, records, tournaments,
less lag.

IMO

[Flexman]

Jazzy's night mod just adds a feature to TS, that can be used in some fun tournament.

But we don't need new features, we just need new players. Or old players back, whatever...

And we also don't need tournaments, we need the state again where you just can pop in and drive against 15 others. But Turbosliders is far away from that now, instead of the new demo mode they still think they get the players back with new features. I think you tried that long enough already.

I have noticed that there might be actually more punaball matches played than races driven. It worries me.

Everyone notices, no one admits that this is the fact.
Turbosliders as racing game is dead.

There are some people who like to play punaball and some who like to play around with new features and tiles, maybe still some organizing tournaments (which often take ages to work and have few players because of laggy servers as there still is no good official server).

But the players who just started the game and had fun with a race just vanished.

Ok, let's see what's going on now:
17 Servers Online, 16 of them empty, 6 People in Terra Demo (3 Tracks!).

Wow.

This game should be feature-frozen until there is a new demo mode which gets more players in to.

[Flexman]

When I play 0.86 tracks at these days graphics feels quite crappy compared to 1.00.

At least parts were not so sticky in 0.86. So if you have the new Tiles in 1.x you'd also need a new crash behaviour.

BTW: If it's about the graphic: No problem we can use 0.86 with 1.0 tiles and have an unlimited 1.0 then. If this brings more players and JGG is still not considering a demo that brings more players, maybe this is a way to go.

[mikko]

I understand where the bad feelings of Newton are coming from. Back in the days of 0.86b, there was no punaball, no AI players, no damage, no fuel, no weapons, no price tag, no empty servers…

Just racing. Lots of racing. Lots of competitors. Lots of fun.

I have played 0.86b. v1.0x provides me not one necessary feature over 0.86b. I would be perfectly happy with 0.86b. I know many would not, but I would. The very important feature both versions are missing is ICSS. By the way, 0.86b has one advantage over 1.0: A superior demo-mode.

[Flexman]

I have played 0.86b. v1.0x provides me not one necessary feature over 0.86b. I would be perfectly happy with 0.86b.

The players who write here that 1.0 is sooo much better have
a) never played the old version with full servers and/or
b) confused this game with a racing simulation
and therefore are players who remained being happy with 1.x and try to get it more and more realistic.

But if you look in the empty servers now you can see who the majority is (or better: was). Remember that many 0.86 players got a licence for 1.0 for free, but quit playing anyway. So it's not just a mather of the licence.

If there were enough players there could be servers with both 0.86 and 1.0 tracks and everyone will be happy but without a new demo concept there won't be any chance keeping this game alive.

[Jazzyclub]

old style game=abadoned game...

why mini racing online having a horrible engine game have a lot of players? the reason was: simplicity of the game with graphics improved

The players who write here that 1.0 is sooo much better have
a) never played the old version with full servers and/or
b) confused this game with a racing simulation

totally wrong, i play 0.86 since 2003 and i prefer 1.xx anyway and i remember how many players are inside of any servers

But we don't need new features, we just need new players. Or old players back, whatever...

yes we dont need new features to increase number of players, but why you use your weird criticism on who like to create new stuff?

i can be boring but
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

everytime i create new stuff a lot of people insult me meaning, useless stuff-go away from ts we dont need you-you noob because you never playerd TS 0.86(totally false)

so, pls make a little of time to SHUT UP and try to incourage this game instaed of post only criticism, if a new player come in this forum and read all your fuking words what can be thing?.......stop with this perseverance to destroy all and try to be positive..

[dede]

The players who write here that 1.0 is sooo much better ...

For example? Who wrote that?

[Jazzyclub]

dede, You must be a real dumbass when saying something like that.

Thanks for the polite comment
So I was right! No license! So, please let me ask a question.. how are you supposed to know what's TS right now?

quote with him a lot!!

[dede]

so, pls make a little of time to SHUT UP and try to incourage this game instaed of post only criticism, if a new player come in this forum and read all your fuking words what can be thing?.......stop with this perseverance to destroy all and try to be positive..

Jazzy, just don't care of these guys. Newton is saying that TS 1.0.x is shit though he never played it; Flexman wants to connect now and then to a server and play with 20 opponents, impossible thing right now (I'm not playing 24h/day to TS, and normal racing online is pretty boring. I want to race for something. I want to win a cup, a tournament. Game is changed. You are old guys. Old. Old.).

[Flexman]

why mini racing online having a horrible engine game have a lot of players? the reason was: simplicity of the game with graphics improved

Why don't you just play Mini Racing Online then instead trying to make Turbosliders a clone of this?

The players who write here that 1.0 is sooo much better have
a) never played the old version with full servers and/or
b) confused this game with a racing simulation

totally wrong, i play 0.86 since 2003 and i prefer 1.xx anyway

Nothing wrong. Just read again: You belong to type B. I wrote and/or, ok?

However we could be all happy, all we need is a change of the demo concept, and we had a lot of good ideas now about 2 years ago and nothing happened.

And the discussion always comes up because its annoying that everything else will be changed but not this crappy demo mode. Ok, it's not your fault, you cannot change the demo. But many players are pissed off and so that's why this discussion starts everywhere especially when they see that there are just some 5 guys playing in some strange test servers.

[Jazzyclub]

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Ok, let's see what's going on now:
17 Servers Online, 16 of them empty, 6 People in Terra Demo (3 Tracks!).

ok lets see what going on now:
18 server online:
3 with only easy slider (if 1 is empty all 3 are empty)
2 punball (1 full and 1 empty)
2 random (same of easyslider)
3 demo server (only brasilian server have players)
1 slider (costantly empty)
2 firewalled
the rest are mixed, so try to make new server and not clone of other servers and you can see how the number of players increase in 1 server and not split for all clone servers

[Jazzyclub]

why mini racing online having a horrible engine game have a lot of players? the reason was: simplicity of the game with graphics improved

Why don't you just play Mini Racing Online then instead trying to make Turbosliders a clone of this?

we back in my discussion, instead of be positive you just try to kick players away from TS, so the problem was people like you.

i dont wanna make TS a clone of MRO, i would make TS the better 2D top-view game in the world, trying this im wrong?

WE DONT NEED YOUR CRITICISM

instead to try kick out from TS community other players, kick yourself and give peace for this community