Freeware Turbo Sliders, your opinion?

Scud · Post by **Scud** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:33 pm

Like we all, who have payed this game i think it is wrong to make this game freeware. We need some special rights if this game goes freeware, it is just not right if other players gets this game free. But it can also be good thing for TS, more players and more normal racing. (i hope so)! What is your opinion about this thing? Ps. I see dumb peoples

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:52 am

I say NO.
This wouldn't be right for us.
I could only agree with a price reduction. Ps. I see dead people

Squall · Post by **Squall** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:34 am

if it goes free...do we all get a refund?

p.s i see ummm....a dodo

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:27 am

Dont be selfish,looks like we are talking about a milion euros or something,its only 10€ ffs
and if it goes freeware it will be much better for all of us.And if u start whining about that kinda crap probably
it will never go freeware. Its the price we pay for a better "service".

Oh finaly Scud bought a mirror!, now he can see...

Chevron · Post by **Chevron** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:41 pm

It would be great if the game was free but users who have paid for ts would get things like custom colors and registered nicknames or something...

Scud · Post by **Scud** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:09 pm

It would be great if the game was free but users who have paid for ts would get things like custom colors and registered nicknames or something..

Yep, something like that im after too. But after all, it is good thing if this goes freeware. More players cant be bad thing.

Ek Poepol · Post by **Ek Poepol** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:15 pm

I agree with chevron let the game go freeware but than the players who have payed get something special out of the game or something.

Mabye our cars go faster,hehe.

olio · Post by **olio** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:07 pm

Bottom line, TS becomes freeware or TS dies. I couldn't care less if us who paid for the game won't get anything. I've had my share of playing the game and having fun with it, and the price of full version has been a bargain for that. No one can take that away from us. We all benefit if TS becomes freeware. More players, more fun. For fun we play, don't we?

Janne · Post by **Janne** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:11 pm

In my opinion going to freeware is just good thing for all us. Personally I don't care a shit if someone gets this game for free while I've paid 10€ some three years ago. So many hours of enjoyment that I wouldn't even dare to ask ever-so-huge 10€ back.
It also got to be remembered that possibly upcoming new freeware players have been able to play only demo version in the non-freeware era, so we haven't paid for nothing.

Minor benefits for registered players are ok to me, yet not necessary or even hoped at all though, but then also new players should be given a ghange to get those benefits by paying some euros. Although I don't really know if some whining people are really worth creating such a system, but it's not up to me anyhow.

Mouse · Post by **Mouse** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:01 pm

I don't think the people who bought the game should get anything special if the game goes free, It's rather selfish to think about that.

My thoughts match Olio's. Game goes free = filled grids. That's nice enough for us people who bought the game, to have more people in the servers, right?

Post by **dede** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:02 pm

It would be nice to keep the distinction between "supporters" (those who bought/obtained the full version) and freeware players. This way it will be possible to assign extra web-based features to those who contributed. In-game extra features aren't realistic at all (if Ande doesn't have time to release new features now, he won't implement extra features either).
But for web-based features it might be easier, since they can be programmed by me or other guys. Obviously we'll need ideas and we'll have to consider if it's really doable.

Freeware is the future of TS, and I hope it won't take longer than one/two months. Naturally those who would like to ask for a refound are just crazy and dumb at the same time. Most of the money we paid was spent for covering hosting costs.

If TS goes freeware, it'll be possible to play every hour of the day by just connecting to servers. Right now we have to organize cups, call players through msn. Servers are empty otherwise.

Post by **Tijny** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:12 pm

I'm a bit sceptical. When TS was free, servers were swarming with people whose only intention was to wreck races and destroy the fun; going freeware again would mean a lot more of these idiots who would otherwise never pay for the game. Of course there are much better means to battle this problem nowadays, and of course I realize going freeware would be good for everyone, it's just something to think about.

Etana · Post by **Etana** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:43 pm

Tijny wrote:I'm a bit sceptical. When TS was free, servers were swarming with people whose only intention was to wreck races and destroy the fun; going freeware again would mean a lot more of these idiots who would otherwise never pay for the game. Of course there are much better means to battle this problem nowadays, and of course I realize going freeware would be good for everyone, it's just something to think about.

I doubt that these "terrorists" as some called them in 0.86 times are such a big problem. It's possible to keep some of the main servers relatively clean by giving admin rights to ~10 active and reliable players. Maybe Tijny meant this?

Going freeware is not an option, but a must, if we want more casual playing style for TS. Refund for those who have played more than couple months is quite hilarious... Dede should also very clearly inform about TS freeware change at this page, when/if it's going to happen. We don't want anyone to pay for game, which goes freeware at next week/month (without knowing that fact)? At least I would feel little bit cheated

Post by **Tijny** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:00 pm

Yeah, I guess you're right. In 0.86b it was quite a big problem, but with the promode and remote admins it shouldn't be that big a deal. Maybe I'm just too paranoid.

Post by **dede** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:01 pm

Etana wrote:Dede should also very clearly inform about TS freeware change at this page, when/if it's going to happen. We don't want anyone to pay for game, which goes freeware at next week/month (without knowing that fact)? At least I would feel little bit cheated

Right now there are no official news about that. Ande clearly said that freeware is an option to be considered (he said the same one year ago also).
So, if one wants to play the full game, he can purchase the license right now or wait some months/years/forever hoping that we'll go freeware.
I've never announced that TS will go freeware, I just said that it might be considered in the future (that's what Ande told me/Anddru/etc).

Squall · Post by **Squall** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:20 pm

can i just point out i was joking when i said about a refund...didnt expect everyone to start kicking off at me...it was a joke!

i'm beginning to see dumb people...

Mouse · Post by **Mouse** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:28 pm

What is this "I see dumb people"

Reminds me of the kids in high school who had those shirts... the same ones everyone laughed at. I thought that joke was dead.

Etana · Post by **Etana** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:35 pm

dede wrote:
Etana wrote:Dede should also very clearly inform about TS freeware change at this page, when/if it's going to happen. We don't want anyone to pay for game, which goes freeware at next week/month (without knowing that fact)? At least I would feel little bit cheated
Right now there are no official news about that. Ande clearly said that freeware is an option to be considered (he said the same one year ago also).
So, if one wants to play the full game, he can purchase the license right now or wait some months/years/forever hoping that we'll go freeware.
I've never announced that TS will go freeware, I just said that it might be considered in the future (that's what Ande told me/Anddru/etc).

Ah, sorry I said it in little unclear way... I meant that, if its going to be sure that TS goes freeware in future it should be clearly posted on this page. With information of exact date (if known). Maybe useless for me to even say this...

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:52 am

Minor benefits for registered players are ok to me, yet not necessary or even hoped at all though, but then also new players should be given a chance to get those benefits by paying some euros. Although I don't really know if some whining people are really worth creating such a system, but it's not up to me anyhow.

If it will be possible, what do u you think about making punaball a benefit?
Surely many freeware player will be willing to pay some euros to have the chance to play puna.

Squall · Post by **Squall** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:58 am

FDV wrote:
Minor benefits for registered players are ok to me, yet not necessary or even hoped at all though, but then also new players should be given a chance to get those benefits by paying some euros. Although I don't really know if some whining people are really worth creating such a system, but it's not up to me anyhow.
If it will be possible, what do u you think about making punaball a benefit?
Surely many freeware player will be willing to pay some euros to have the chance to play puna.

i thought we wanted to attract new players? infiltration is the way to get people in! i could play that 24/7

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:08 am

i thought we wanted to attract new players? infiltration is the way to get people in! i could play that 24/7

Do you mean that infiltration is more attractive than punaball ?!

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:36 am

FDV wrote: If it will be possible, what do u you think about making punaball a benefit?

The more complicated you want it the less chance of anything changing.

Just strip the activation, nothing else is even worth talking about to be honest.

Squall · Post by **Squall** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:47 am

FDV wrote:
i thought we wanted to attract new players? infiltration is the way to get people in! i could play that 24/7
Do you mean that infiltration is more attractive than punaball ?!

well i'm not exactly a fan of puna. infact it bores me. whereas i love infiltration. i apologise if you don't agree with my personal opinion

Post by **dede** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:57 am

xzeal wrote:The more complicated you want it the less chance of anything changing.

Yes, I think that's the main issue. If Ande had free time, he would have planned to change the demo mode instead of releasing the game as freeware. Freeware should be considered as a big present for all players who went full, and not something unfair for those who paid. It would mean that we'll find players online every day, every hour! When we'll feel like playing, we'll just connect to online servers and decide to play racing /rough /infiltration /punaball /xbumpz /etc / just by picking the correct server!
No need to organize anything! That would be superb, I guess.

Freeware would also mean, I guess, that the game developing will stop (correct me if I'm wrong, Ande). Luckily the game has many features right now, and I don't see anything that has to be implemented. But it could be nice if we could find some guys available to release new versions of the game (I don't mean open source, they need to work together and keep in contact with Ande anyway).

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:20 am

Squall wrote:
FDV wrote:
i thought we wanted to attract new players? infiltration is the way to get people in! i could play that 24/7
Do you mean that infiltration is more attractive than punaball ?!
well i'm not exactly a fan of puna. infact it bores me. whereas i love infiltration. i apologise if you don't agree with my personal opinion

No need to apologize,an opinion is an opinion, I only think that punaball is more appealing.For example, I convinced libertine to purchase the license thx to punaball, I don't think that infiltration mode would have been so effective.

The more complicated you want it the less chance of anything changing.

I don't think it would be a complicated offer: you can do everything, but you have to pay(5$ or less) to unlock punaball mode.So we'll have people in the servers, and incomes if they want to play puna.
Is it complicated to organize such version?