Freeware Turbo Sliders, your opinion?

mikko · Post by **mikko** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:08 pm

dede wrote:Freeware would also mean, I guess, that the game developing will stop (correct me if I'm wrong, Ande). Luckily the game has many features right now, and I don't see anything that has to be implemented. But it could be nice if we could find some guys available to release new versions of the game (I don't mean open source, they need to work together and keep in contact with Ande anyway).

Actually, the game development stopped already over two years ago. I agree with that no new features are needed. The game is good as it is now.

Of course we should go freeware, this game always should have been freeware. Personally I don't understand why those who purchased the game should be rewarded as I also don't understand the philosophy of "what is more to someone else is away from me" We have played the game for eternity at practically no cost. Going freeware just increases the value of money invested, rewarding us with more players and hence (hopefully) with more enjoyable gaming experience.

Post by **dede** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:33 pm

mikko wrote:Personally I don't understand why those who purchased the game should be rewarded as I also don't understand the philosophy of "what is more to someone else is away from me" We have played the game for eternity at practically no cost.

True, but keeping a distinction between those who paid for a license and those who play for free could be good. This way in the future there could be features (as I explained, more like web-based features than game features) for those who contributed in the past and for those who will contribute in the future (such as donations).
We don't have to forget that if we want to keep a centralized website such as TurboSliders.com, bandwidth will increase much if we'll go freeware. JollyGoodGames confirmed that they can continue hosting the website, but I wonder what would happen if hosting costs will become too big for them. I think it's better having some kind of donation system, or something that generates money for our needs.

About unlocking only some game mods, and keep some others playable only for money (PunaBall, as FDV suggested), it's totally up to Ande. But in long-term view, that could kill PunaBall itself. Maybe it's just better having the whole game as freeware.

There's one thing to fix in future TS version, though: the track editor bug (custom tiles).

Punatiainen · Post by **Punatiainen** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:51 pm

Freeware would be good. Just remove the license activation, and that's it.

The game is good as it is now.

Exactly. No need to change anything. But that doesn't mean Ande couldn't do new version some day, even though it would be a freeware.

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:53 pm

well, Punaball might be the mod that suffer more with the freeware, i can see a lot of noobs(new players) messing up the games and ruining the fun of it, just imagine a lot of alonso's out there. There's the problem of number of players too, 1 server =4 players, we would need a lot of puna servers to satisfy most of the players or just watch a spec race all of the time. If that "pay more" solution its easy and dont complicate the freeware process i agree with it, if not we'll find a solution(more servers etc).

There's only one thing about freeware, we probably loose the "small family thing" we have right now, where almost everyone "knows" everyone, the good enviroment we have right now might be killed by dumb people.We can handle with 1 Kometen can we handle 10?I mean, its hard when u want to play and dont have players, but when u play (arranged games) we always have fun and that's better that having players all the time and no fun in it.

If the game goes freeware do we still have the support? when new windows get released and stuff?

Post by **dede** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:19 pm

Storm wrote:There's only one thing about freeware, we probably loose the "small family thing" we have right now, where almost everyone "knows" everyone, the good enviroment we have right now might be killed by dumb people.We can handle with 1 Kometen can we handle 10?

But we have admins. If they aren't enough, we'll pick new ones.

Storm wrote:If the game goes freeware do we still have the support? when new windows get released and stuff?

I don't think it would change much for this. I mean, right now TS on Vista doesn't work properly, so freeware won't make things worse.

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:52 pm

I keep supporting freeware solution with punaball limitation, as I think that punaball is strong enough to survive activation fees, and the incomes would help the game administration.

About the ''small family thing''.. isn't it the problem we are trying to solve ?

Rendy Andrian · Post by **Rendy Andrian** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:14 am

Punatiainen wrote:Freeware would be good. Just remove the license activation, and that's it.

That would be yes. But seems no one in my country who play TS except ME.

That's because our game advertisements is really low and other gamers (3D Gamers on Asia) said that 2D Games are Crap. Ugh @ that!!![/u]

Chevron · Post by **Chevron** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:25 pm

FDV wrote:I keep supporting freeware solution with punaball limitation, as I think that punaball is strong enough to survive activation fees, and the incomes would help the game administration.

That makes no sense to me. No one outside the current top20 would pay for it if the game itself was free.

I say let us be free once again!

FDV · Post by **FDV** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:54 pm

Chevron wrote:
FDV wrote:I keep supporting freeware solution with punaball limitation, as I think that punaball is strong enough to survive activation fees, and the incomes would help the game administration.
That makes no sense to me. No one outside the current top20 would pay for it if the game itself was free.

I say let us be free once again!

I'm not in the top 20 but I would have paid to play punaball, it has a great appeal in my opinion.

Keppana · Post by **Keppana** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:19 pm

That's welcome if TS goes free, paid 10€ but that was years ago and doesn't matter. I would like to see support for moving and animated objects finally.

Chevron · Post by **Chevron** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:28 pm

Keppana wrote:That's welcome if TS goes free, paid 10€ but that was years ago and doesn't matter. I would like to see support for moving and animated objects finally.

Normal worker makes that in an hour anyway. I wouldn't mind paying more if we got new updates.

xzeal · Post by **xzeal** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:39 pm

Chevron wrote:
Keppana wrote:That's welcome if TS goes free, paid 10€ but that was years ago and doesn't matter. I would like to see support for moving and animated objects finally.
Normal worker makes that in an hour anyway. I wouldn't mind paying more if we got new updates.

Or 3 in some other countries

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Chevron · Post by **Chevron** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:44 pm

xzeal wrote: Or 3 in some other countries ...

So that's why we always get very shitty service in Tallinn...

e: btw there's a new store next to superalko, it's name was Marski something (can't remember, was too drunk then) where 10-pack of 40% costs like 33 euros. I call that a bargain

Anddru · Post by **Anddru** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:53 pm

dede wrote:I've never announced that TS will go freeware, I just said that it might be considered in the future (that's what Ande told me/Anddru/etc).

Well, he said it was a possibility, but he also said that he would like to make a new version (which ideas me/you/etc. had), but that he just didn't had the time.

After all, I just got a feeling that nothing will change. We won't get Freeware, and we won't get a new version.

Anyway, I kind of agree with Tijny. Freeware could mean even more lamers. But after all, you can still make private servers, so that wouldn't be such a big problem I guess.

pcmxms · Post by **pcmxms** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:27 pm

I don't mind if it goes free. Every time I try to play it online, there is nobody with the full version available to play, so it may actualy be a good thing if it goes free.

kovalainen · Post by **kovalainen** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:21 am

Freeware Would be nice, but an update to TS is the only thing i'd consider a.t.m if people are having problems running Ts on Vista.

Etmil · Post by **Etmil** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:44 am

Running TS on Vista is absolutely trouble-free for me.. honestly. Also with a widescreen monitor. All you had to do was manually change the resolution of of the game to the one of your screen's in sliders.ini.
Freeware + new features/mods added would be best imo. You can always lame back at lamers and fight them in other ways..

Etana · Post by **Etana** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:39 am

Only problems which I have experienced is that randomly and rarely sliders.exe will crash when track file is broken. Though is it because of Vista is another question...

Jazzyclub · Post by **Jazzyclub** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:06 pm

i think this: ande lost the source code and cant get more update or modification of the game and never say this...

thats was weird, from an update every 4-6 months to blackhole...
yep i've speaked with ande too...new born-the family-the work....but man 2 years are passed!!

in 2 year no time to post some news or "ehy!! im alive!!" ???? mmmmm