Formula 1 World Championship #1

[power79]

Race Stats(Bridgis)

Added Race Results and Fastest Lap.
Also experimental:
"Received Draft (converted to 100%. For example: 20% draft for 5 seconds --> 100% draft for 1 second.)" and
"Offroad Time after receiving at least 10% draft"
stats added. I calculated drafting percentages myself so can't promise 100% accuracy.

And my race:
Tried to start more aggressive this time but it didn't help. I was "forced" to bad driving lines and cars just kept passing me left and right. It was horrible. Then lap 4 I collided with Alexander Wurz and went offroad for couple seconds. I don't think he would have needed to wait for me because I was half car behind at point of impact so you could say it was my fault.

End was also a catastrophe(lap 43: crashed into crashed Astunce,lap 51-52:Carlos Sainz Jr came from pits and confused me as I didn't know his situation or position and he was lot faster than me, lap 54: Panicked and went offroad when Mike Nike was lapping me) and so I ended up losing position to dede.

[Tijny]

http://lvp-ts.com/race/?name=bridgis <--- T's WEBPAGE.

Well done for finding that! I updated it but forgot to post the link, silly me.

I'm going to play a little guessing game and say that the P20 qualifying time will be 1:32.689 this week.

As for myself, my goal is to do 1:31.0ish or hopefully just below, given how easily I did 1:31.6 yesterday and how unclean that lap was.

[Alexander Wurz]

No power, definitely my fault. I came in like a crazy trying to overtake you and it just didn't work. I pulled a Verstappen
Sorry for the accident.

[Whiplash]

I wonder what happened to Azev causing him to not join the server. Next time we will have Div2 race driven by all drivers qualified 21-30 and for those who didn't participate in Div1 race. Div2 race will be driven on Mondays 21:00 GMT.

[Mike Nike]

@Lap1
https://f1metrics.files.wordpress.com/2 ... _level.png

WILL seemed to drive kinda fair in lap 1. Thumbs up here!
Besides the real F1 rules with "being ahead at corner exit" etc., which we don't have in this league, as i see it, we have the side to side driving lines rule -> see image. So, as ugly it sounds, the inside car has to drive a line which gives all cars to the side enough space - that means: a pretty slow line which is probably often the slower line, making overtake tries kinda hard sometimes.
Jormeli went in the lower left curve inside, Wokinger in the middle, Whiplash outside. Jormeli's exit line left only space for 1 car, so i'll take a wild guess and say it's his fault that Whip got pinballbumped offroad by Wokinger here. Even though Whiplash still reached place 4 in the end, Jormeli might have had to wait for Whip and let him pass.
Either way, watching lap 1-2 with so many cars close to each other in the mid/backfield, draft included, with tough braking points... i'm happy to not be in that madness. Tough to drive fair, even for the fairest drivers...

[Whiplash]

According to what I announced in my last post about the Division 2 race, I gave more info on the competition page. Read "Qualifications" and "Race(s)" sections.

[Will]

Conclusions from this week's race, mainly from my perspective:

-There's still a big difference between the top 3 and the rest, however the competition is getting closer, particularly in qualifying. Law of diminishing returns?

-It's incredible how close the top three are, really.

-Seems that a lot of drivers had problems, contributing to a bigger gap to the top 3 at the end.

-Astuce had a problematic race affecting several players, me included...twice. Damn you!

-Patience seems to be key in the race, I was doing pretty fine until adversities put me in a mad mood and it was downhill from there on (lap 39 http://lvp-ts.com/races/detail/2531/)

-Older guys (me and gol) keep toping the reaction times at the start. What's wrong with the youth?
http://www.kolumbus.fi/arilai79/4K_Wh_Bridgis_v2.txt

-Seems pitting is also important, I lost 2 secs there when I thought it was a good stop. Something to improve.

-Since I'm not the fastest one lap guy out there, I opted for a one stop, betting on consistency. However the degrading tyres made driving around that track particularly hard.

-Gol forgot once again to set the fuel. How much did that cost to him?


Bad Luck Award: Carlos Sainz
After a brilliant qualifying, his router decided to pit.

Donkey Award: Astuce
Last week it was me when I rammed gol and dede. Now it has to be Astuce. And hey...at least it's an award!

Best Start award: Gol, Will, Enrico
5 places gained on the 1st lap

Worst Start Award: Whiplash
Lost 10 positions on the 1st lap!

Most places lost during the race: Carlos Sainz
16 places For obvious reasons

Most places gained during the race: WiLL
5 positions gained during the race

Star of the race: Seems Badeend
Started 3rd and won the race against ferocious competition

[Whiplash]

After I've watched the video:

@Carlos and Kid - just check the lap 39 and 40. That's just not the way of how lapped drivers should behave. You were almost expecting me to race with you guys and overtake you like you're in the same lap as me. Your decision to let me pass came just too late - I suffered quite much because of your drafting. And look Wokinger in lap 40 too - he totally expected Kid to move outside, but Kid simply drove the normal line - and boom!
Sure, in lap 39 I made some mistakes, but I was recovered quickly and you (Carlos) could let me pass few turns earlier. If you want an example of how to do it properly - just look at Papi (lap 44) - same place where I had to hit Kid to overtake him. He moved outside as soon as I got close.

@Wokinger - I noticed you were quite impatient in very first laps (against Bruno lap 1, Carlos lap 2, Will lap 3). Your decision to overtake a drivers came always too early. Don't overtake until you're at least in line with your opponent, or until your speed is significantly higher than his. None of these criteria were matched in those situations.

@Wurz - Lap 4 situation with power79 looked like a pure accident. You could clearly continue to drive there without waiting.

@Asustance - lap 42 - you amateur! But the stucking wasn't that big problem compared to what you were doing after that. Wtf, you continued to race against Will and Wokinger like you're in the same lap with them. And you even blocked them like a boss.

[Mike Nike]

-Gol forgot once again to set the fuel. How much did that cost to him?

Tijny probably said 2% costs 1-1.5sec or so. Soo...maybe 4-6 seconds then?
And nice post, Will!

[Whiplash]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
After some experience from last 3 races (including the test race) we decided to implement a damage system. The system is simulating rather the driver's damage than his car damage. This means that a driver whose car gets in direct contact with another car - will get a "concussion" for a few seconds (max 10). During that time he will lose speed proportional to the hit strength (warning: It can be really significant slowdown). We're doing this hoping that all drivers will put them self on a higher caution level in the further direct battling.
The system is already implemented in LVP5 server and you can test it.

[Wokinger]

@Wokinger - I noticed you were quite impatient in very first laps (against Bruno lap 1, Carlos lap 2, Will lap 3). Your decision to overtake a drivers came always too early. Don't overtake until you're at least in line with your opponent, or until your speed is significantly higher than his. None of these criteria were matched in those situations.

Which situations? First corner? There was touch between dede and gol which caused his car to rapidly slow down and that's why there was contact between him and me.

With Carlos he drove at me on harpin, which cause me to have worse line in corner. In next right corner I pushed him a little, which propably slightly pushed him out of track. Sorry for that. I should have waited for you and have let you pass.

With Will - he drove to wide on entry and leave so much space, I went there and touch was already when my front wing was on line with his tyres. In such situation he should leave space.

12. [SL] Wokinger (12,18) NEW LOW (+6) -> where are the times Wokinger fights with Szymek and Mike on a similar level?

... has gone. I made maybe 5 laps with this car before season start. I have bad starting positions and making a lot of mistakes like missing braking points (which caused few bangs) or braking too early (like fighting with dede last race). Anyway the gap to leaders is reducing, so maybe I can fight for TOP3 one day. My pace last sunday was on the same level as Whiplash or Jormeli.

[max tre]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
After some experience from last 3 races (including the test race) we decided to implement a damage system. The system is simulating rather the driver's damage than his car damage. This means that a driver whose car gets in direct contact with another car - will get a "concussion" for a few seconds (max 10). During that time he will lose speed proportional to the hit strength (warning: It can be really significant slowdown). We're doing this hoping that all drivers will put them self on a higher caution level in the further direct battling.
The system is already implemented in LVP5 server and you can test it.

Could you maybe update the sources with these damage-settings?

[ftroncoso]

I wonder what happened to Azev causing him to not join the server. Next time we will have Div2 race driven by all drivers qualified 21-30 and for those who didn't participate in Div1 race. Div2 race will be driven on Mondays 21:00 GMT.

Any chance to do it closer to the Div1 time like 22:00 GMT or 21:30 GMT?

[Tijny]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
After some experience from last 3 races (including the test race) we decided to implement a damage system. The system is simulating rather the driver's damage than his car damage. (...)

I think we should be very careful with this sort of thing. The settings as you plan to use them are still ridiculously strong despite the shorter recovery time, and have the potential to throw someone really far back, possibly even due to someone else's fault. Moreover, by creating big speed differences between cars, all you're doing is make things more dangerous.

We tested it with 3 people and we still have no idea how it would work out with 20 cars on the track, so I suggest that if you're going to introduce damage, do it gradually and start off with a weaker effect. Then, if it turns out that the effect could be stronger, you can always change it later.

[Will]

With Will - he drove to wide on entry and leave so much space, I went there and touch was already when my front wing was on line with his tyres. In such situation he should leave space.

Dude... you overtook me like your porn collection depended on that. Probably a gold medal in a diving contest!
Joking aside, my line was fine and you took a chance in the hope that I would get out of the way.

[Whiplash]

...I suggest that if you're going to introduce damage, do it gradually and start off with a weaker effect. Then, if it turns out that the effect could be stronger, you can always change it later.

I'm worried that weaker effect will make no influece to drivers' mentality. They will still rather risk to hit somebody than to be patient and avoid contact for any cost.

[Tijny]

I'm worried that weaker effect will make no influece to drivers' mentality. They will still rather risk to hit somebody than to be patient and avoid contact for any cost.

But reducing a car to 10% of its normal speed in the worst case?! That's absurd, no matter which way you look at it.

[Whiplash]

Any chance to do it closer to the Div1 time like 22:00 GMT or 21:30 GMT?

We've already asked to make it earlier. That's why we decided to go with 21:00.

But reducing a car to 10% of its normal speed in the worst case?! That's absurd, no matter which way you look at it.

Well, maybe. Feel free to tweak it to whatever you feel the best. I was just saying that having bigger difference in speed will make bigger effect on everybody's behavior, even if it lasts shorter.

[Mike Nike]

I drove on the server with the bots yesterday and had to laugh a bit about how the bots damage each other, so i could overtake easily...until i got damaged myself.
It turned out that you sometimes get hit from behind and the hit effect did not seem equal between hitting car and hit car, so the bot behind could overtake me, just by damaging me from behind.
I'd rather suggest a longer startgrid for upcoming tracks (except the next race, since the qualification results would be lost then, kinda). Something maybe compareable to the one we had in the AntiSlider league back then. That would reduce the start chaos and give people motivation to improve with this car even more to get a good startposition. Tougher field, tougher challenge, more fun

[wazaari]

i think introducing some damage would be fine, maybe the one i tryed yesterday was too much strong.

is it possible to have a less speed reduction but maybe for a more prolonged time?

[Carlos Sainz Jr]

Will Div.2 last the same amount of laps as Div.1 or is it like, I don't know, half or 3/4 of it just like real lower divisions' tracks?

[Tijny]

I drove on the server with the bots yesterday and had to laugh a bit about how the bots damage each other, so i could overtake easily...until i got damaged myself.
It turned out that you sometimes get hit from behind and the hit effect did not seem equal between hitting car and hit car, so the bot behind could overtake me, just by damaging me from behind.

Spoiler warning: bots are immune to damage, so I don't know what you saw.

Well, maybe. Feel free to tweak it to whatever you feel the best. I was just saying that having bigger difference in speed will make bigger effect on everybody's behavior, even if it lasts shorter.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but I'm just saying that a bigger difference in speed is more likely to result in further collisions.

And sure, I will change it to what I feel would be a good starting point.

[Whiplash]

I'd rather suggest a longer startgrid for upcoming tracks...

No way. It would be too much extra work. And it wouldn't be proportional to real life grid anymore.

Will Div.2 last the same amount of laps as Div.1 or is it like, I don't know, half or 3/4 of it just like real lower divisions' tracks?

Yes, all the same. Read updated info about qualifications and race(s), you amateur.

[Mike Nike]

Spoiler warning: bots are immune to damage, so I don't know what you saw.

Aww man, all the testin for nothing^^
I saw at TAB-stats next to cars that there is a red rectangle, telling the damage%. All the bots had it, so i just assumed they can get damaged as well. Espcially after a bunch of cars slowed down in front of me in the Ziggy track, but that was just a coincidence, i just saw in the replay. Some car got sideways and 2-3 cars drove into it. Meh


@Whippe:
I'd vote for lower damage effect as well.
The time i lost in the battle with Bade (2sec in 2 laps or so) is already creating me a headache. I wonder if i should really go for battle-avoid strategy all season long and take weird pit strategies, so i can just drive alone and concentrate more on my pace, ending up in a possible battle in the very last laps, in case my pace was fast enough.

[Carlos Sainz Jr]

Why don't we put less damage per contact, pace is not slowed down but you can't recharge for it (only if you go to pit maybe)? It could be fun cause we can have retires as normal races :p