World PunaBall Cup, How about?

[CHUD]

Great idea to do a World Cup in Puna. Do I win a trophy? Like a toilet seat for being the first one knocked out?

Dont worry Mouse, you can probably team up with Ippon-B4r3k2 because I bet he would be interested.

I have a few ideas.

I would allow unlimited teams from each country. Since we are playing for country bragging rights, it gives incentive for each nation to put their best punaplayers on same team/teams. For intance, I would love to play, but there is a good chance the 9th best player in Brazil is better than me. Why should he get screwed out of having fun in this tournament just because game is more popular in his country.

If you do limit the teams from each country to three, then the preliminaries in the big countries should be rather interesting and perhaps almost as competitive as the main cup itself.

I think anyone in a lone country can team up with others in same position for the Cup.

If too many teams makes it too difficult to organize, then I understand. I think there could be a few volunteers easily to help out.

I also like the idea of a buy-in for the tournament. People can easily send cash in the mail if they cant pay over the internet. The winners can receive a small cash prize and maybe we can help pay for a rented server. I am thinking a small amount. It could just be a voluntary pay so people are not forced to pay.

[Kyna_Musti]

it is ok that WP make one of finlands four team? if every team is 3 or 2 players?... and if tjjj want play too so we have 4 WP's.... and all can play punaball.... i and tnt want play at least...

[TnT]

And if it will be one WP Finland team, I´m the leader of the team. And I think it´s a good idea, because all WPs can play Punaball good, well ofcourse, I trained all of them...

[Mike Nike]

So u couldn´t put my name to the Finland list... now I´m hurt AND ANGRY!!!

^^ I feared this would come
Well...everyone who is not listed is part of the "..." behind the list of players behind a country.

Anyway, the Brazil#1 would be me and suntzu as we're 2 times winners of TSB Puna cup.

Hehe, the driver names are kind examples...though i tried already to list some good teams and players.

Why should he get screwed out of having fun in this tournament just because game is more popular in his country.

Yes, that would be definately the case (like in real soccer too).
Though we do not need to compare too much, of course.
The more players have got fun, the better, usually.
We just need to take an eye on that everything is running sportsmanlike.

On the other hand you can compare to World Cup Qualification, which is also part of the World Cup - just not so high honoured by the eyes of the usual player.

Each continent have got XY countries, which may take part.
Each country is choosing their players.

In TS we could make something like a continent based qualification too, though i won't prefer that.
There the suggestion of road_oktane or Mandeagle to make a country based qualification i like much more.

Concerning the registration to the cup, we could do this:
Players from each country have got time until a certain date (example: 31.2.2006, early or later) to register at a forum (this, TSB or a TS Community page) or just by email (or by server chat messages), like for example:

Country: Germany
Player 1 Name: Mike Nike
Player 1 EMail: ...
Player 2: Ippon-benzin
Player 2 EMail: ...

This would give the cup a kind olympic style: >=1 team can take part at the discipline and 1 country can win all 3 medals instead of maximal 1.
Turbo Sliders Soccer Olympiade 2006...Olympic Turbo Sliders Soccer Games 2006...hmm
Well, keep on making suggestion and giving opinions



It seems like people prefer a 2vs2 based cup...
Consequently they would prefer the usual arena size, i can imagine.

Which arena(s) you would prefer (background type, walltype, goalwidth, goaldepth?
Examples:
- default PB-Arena by Ande (TS 1.0.4) = light irritating background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, normal goaldepth)
- default PunaBall Arena by Punatiainen (TS 1.0.0-) = normal grey street-style background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, normal goaldepth
- Soccer field = green soccer field background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, short goaldepth

background: should not irritate too much in my opinion -> good could be: monotone colorset, not too light and not too dark colors
walltype: should at least exist and should be normal bouncy.
goalwidth: should be at least normal (or probably 25-50% more width? Why? To let happen goals a bit more easily between very good teams)
goaldepth: if the goaldepth is short, then you can save some shots by bouncing into your goal and clearing the ball with the back of your car -> this can give the game more spice.

Which Car?
Any votes against the usual choice of AntiSlider?

Which Ball?
Any votes against the usual ball (Ball3.car)?

[Tijny]

Which arena(s) you would prefer (background type, walltype, goalwidth, goaldepth?
Examples:
- default PB-Arena by Ande (TS 1.0.4) = light irritating background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, normal goaldepth)
- default PunaBall Arena by Punatiainen (TS 1.0.0-) = normal grey street-style background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, normal goaldepth
- Soccer field = green soccer field background, normal wallbounce, normal goalwidth, short goaldepth

background: should not irritate too much in my opinion -> good could be: monotone colorset, not too light and not too dark colors
walltype: should at least exist and should be normal bouncy.
goalwidth: should be at least normal (or probably 25-50% more width? Why? To let happen goals a bit more easily between very good teams)
goaldepth: if the goaldepth is short, then you can save some shots by bouncing into your goal and clearing the ball with the back of your car -> this can give the game more spice.

A little more goalwidth could be nice, yes. Also, we could make several background images for 1 arena so people could use (or even make) the image of their liking.

Which Ball?
Any votes against the usual ball (Ball3.car)?

The default ball is Punaball.car

[Mike Nike]

The default ball is Punaball.car

You are so right - today the default ball is named Punaball.car...
I even forgot that Ball3.car and Punaball.car are not equal in all of their car properties.

Well, although the differences are low between these 2 balls, i would give my vote to the default TS 1.0.4+ Punaball car file (so: not the old one, merci Tijny).

[Mouse]

I would love to make the arena for this cup. I can make it and give progress reports to the cup organizers, and they can tell me what must be done. I have made arenas in the past, so i know how to do them. Mike you can be my supervisor tell me what it needs to look like and be shaped like, ill make whatever you tell me too. Also im not talking about spending an hour one weekend on this, im willing to put in several hours to make it perfect. What do you say?

[TnT]

Antislider(or Spinner) and the normal Ball, that´s good.
I register myself to the Finland team already now, so that no one can say I haven´t done that. But other Finns, say if you want to be in some of the Finlands teams, so we can look who is in what team and other things.

[[S³X] Pornfest]

Spare ur effords ladies, this cup will never work.

And for those trying to organise it who disagree with me i got a tip:

Close this forum, make a mailinglist, decide the very obvious (2vs2, 5 registered players per team, at least 50 percent of the players having the nationality of the country they represent, lagrules from the previous cups which have proven to be working, ordinairy ball, standard po-arena7)

trying democratically to organise this cup will fail and is not the purpose of any organisation. Vote ur leaders not ur tax-sum.


[S³X] Pornfest

[road_oktane.]

Like pornfest said.

Arena: Po_arena7_cavern or po_arena7

Ball: punaball.car

Car: antislider (obvious)

Name: PunaBall World CUP

Btw, TSB's already doing a Brazil Qualification Cup for the case where only 1 team per country is alowed.

[xzeal]

Spare ur effords ladies, this cup will never work.

thanks for the vote of confidence

Close this forum, make a mailinglist

Now that is a bad idea. With a mailing list you cut a lot of people out of the loop. A world cup competiton is not just for the participants. This cup could actually get a decent "cheering squad".

decide the very obvious (2vs2, 5 registered players per team, at least 50 percent of the players having the nationality of the country they represent, lagrules from the previous cups which have proven to be working, ordinairy ball, standard po-arena7)

If its a world cup it has naturally got to be with default settings, only thing we could argue about would be 2vs2 or 3vs3.

trying democratically to organise this cup will fail and is not the purpose of any organisation.

Name one punaball cup that has ever had democracy involed, in other words how would you know?


By the way, i still say that this thing can't be called a "world cup" unless it has got some sort of official support (at least moral support) from "the powers to be" (in other words Ande or JGG).

[[S³X] Pornfest]

While u guys have ur social club, ill organise SIT6 with Waz..

[S³X] Pornfest

oh and Xzeal...what exactly was ur point in the democracy thingy? i seem to remember actually playing in those cups (which btw were not based on the masterplan of a single guy as u are well aware of) in stead of endlessly debating over it.

[Mouse]

My real name is Andy, so if i call it a world cup, is it good enough for it to be official? Just joking of course, but i agree, having the actual people and companies behind the game to support this cup would make it bigger.

[xzeal]

i seem to remember actually playing in those cups

what cups?

oh and Xzeal...what exactly was ur point in the democracy thingy?

Well i had to say something to your last statement.

My point was that there have never been democraticly organized cups...

[[S³X] Pornfest]

Xzeal, u u know perfectly well that all punaball cups have been organised with regard to the opinions of others. But there is a point where u simply have to start it all.
And there is nothing wrong with a mailinglist as long as its a good mailinglist.

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[Kyna_Musti]

ok i and tnt can be on finland team?... we both want drive.. if its ok for all?.. that is so nice if its good for tnt too... and u all...

[Mouse]

I am not sure who will team for US. I guess all is ok with me on the team, but others i am not sure of. If 2v2 games it will be hard. B4r3k2 is a good player, but i dont get along very well with him in times. Jimmie22o2 is a possible teammate but i am not sure if he is able to play each game. Scouting will begin.

[Guest]

I am not sure who will team for US. I guess all is ok with me on the team, but others i am not sure of. If 2v2 games it will be hard. B4r3k2 is a good player, but i dont get along very well with him in times. Jimmie22o2 is a possible teammate but i am not sure if he is able to play each game. Scouting will begin.

We are playing for the pride of US. Best two should go. Maybe you and B4r3k2 can put aside the differences and win the gold... I dont know who else in US is good.

[Mouse]

I think i will have to set up some puna games with players from the US only. Then find out who the best one is, and team with him.

[Mike Nike]

Well, let's see what we have...

THE Punaball World Cup/Championship is something which should be defined or at least accepted by Ande & JGG or the "PB-Team" (Ande & Punatiainen...). Exceptable settings would be default settings.

No official support -> no official cup.
Mandeagle's suggestion "Punaball World Cup" would be "a kind of Punaball World Cup", but not "THE ...".

But...since the brasilians made kind clear that they want to know who is the strongest punaball nation AND they already started a 2vs2 qualification in the case there is a "1 team / 1 country - only" cup system, it seems that they would very prefer such "a kind of world cup".

Well...it is not said that we make 0, 1 or more cups...
But there are good ideas and there are interested people.
We could collect the different cup systems and make a vote: "Which cup (type) should be the next one?"

1) THE Punaball World Cup
- official support: yes
- players / team: not decided
- nationalities in team: not decided
- teams / country: not decided
- tracks: not decided
...

2) A kind of Punaball World Cup
- official support: not necessary
- players / team: 2 or more ? (there might be no 1-player world cup with max. 1 team / country, or?)
- nationalities in team: 1
- teams / country: 1
- tracks: normal ?
...

3) Mixed Cup
- official support: not necessary
- players / team: 2
- nationalities in team: 1 westside (brasil, USA...), 1 eastside (european ...)
- teams: unlimited
...

Advantage: connecting communities; probably even more fairness in matches (matches are less depending on the bad or good servers)

4) A kind of Olympic Cup
- official support: not necessary
- players / team: 1, 2 or more...
- nationalities in team: 1
- teams / country: unlimited
...

5) S.I.T. 6
- official support: no
- players / team: 2
- nationalities in team: does not matter
- teams / country: does not matter
...

Due to aim to find out the strongest punaball nation by Mandeagle and the already running brasilian qualification to a cup like 2), i suggest that the next cup will be:

- official support: no
- players / team: 2 (unlimited exchange-players; exchanges allowed after each half-time)
- nationalities in team: all equal (except in special situations if 2 countries have to play together as 1 country, like: Estonia and another country with only 1 active player)
- teams / country: 1
- tracks: PB-Arena and/or po_arena7_cavern and/or po_arena7
- cars/balls: Punaball.car
- time/goals: 2 x 15 min in groups, 2 x 20 min in finals ?
- cuptimetable: fixed datetime = after participating nations are clear: dates of matches AND clocktimes are fixed. Example: Group A Match 1 has to be played at xy.February 2006 at Clocktime 20:00 (teamleaders have to agree to a clocktime as soon as the pair is clear). If team 1 does not appear (<2 players) after xy minutes, team 2 wins...

Apart from the cupsystems i like to come back to a suggestion i made some earlier day:
Which Arena you like the most in 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4 ...?

If the teams or players who play vs each other are getting too good...then the goals are harder to make and kind of boring safe defence matches are the consequences sometimes. This i saw when playing in early days vs Tijny and very good it was visible in the S.I.T. 4 match vs Badeend. Both good players, but the match was relative boring.
So: it would be nice if goals could fell easier with a higher goalwidth.

Normal goalwidth: http://www.mikenike.com/Tracks/TS_1_00/ ... -small.jpg
High goaldwidth: http://www.mikenike.com/Tracks/TS_1_00/ ... h_high.jpg
Very high goalwidth: http://www.mikenike.com/Tracks/TS_1_00/ ... y_high.jpg

default: normal goalwidth, normal goalddepth, normal background
po_arena7: normal goalwidth, shorter goalddepth, soccerfieldl background
my suggestions:

1vs1: high goalwidth, shorter goalddepth, soccerfield background
2vs2: high or very high goalwidth, shorter goalddepth, soccerfield background
3vs3: high or very high goalwidth, shorter goalddepth, soccerfield background
4vs4: very high goalwidth, shorter goalddepth, soccerfield background
...?

@Pornfest & Mouse
Mouse, the look of po_arena7 is more or less the one i like the very most at the moment. Important is a stadium where the playing field is nearly as big as the track size. Thick walls or even spectator tiles are nice... but not good, if you want to see your little car in the scaled screen (shrink to fit).
It would be nice, if Pornfest would create a (if possible: a 100% left/right symmetric) soccer-field background & the walls & pattern to get an arena with high or very high goalwidth (like in the screenshots) working.
Then we could have some 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4 test matches to see which goal width is ridicouless high and which is maybe a very good idea.

[TnT]

4 or 5 would be good, that´s my oppinion.

[mandeagle]

dont need to be THE world cup, can b 2, 3, 4.. teams of each country

the ideia was a cup of many people of many countries

[Mouse]

A Possible arena that can be used for the cup -

I guess no, but it is worth a try.