TS 1.0.8 Beta Released

[Jazzyclub]

to make it easy, i always said "TS not need more statistics feat".
if you like the game how is it, not download the new version, TS is made to be great racing game, for players and too for modders.
if you like play with old graphics, with less feat possible and without all are inside of it now, my friend go back on 0.86b and not take a position for who have payed for it and need new feat, new upgrade for the game and other things.
if ande make TS an abandon game, all the community abandon TS for sure!!
at the end, give TS the time to be knowed, in this months i have reached new italian players, how you do that? easy TS step by step become a great game knowed by all.

PS: remeber you cant pretend TS become a game like trackmania sunrise with a huge community, my reason is= 15mb of game? limited community!

other thins coming soon...

[road_oktane]

All of us know TS need more players.

You're in the fraction of the basic racing players, we know you're not alone in this, neither the people who like a complex race.

Just to give you an example, the "mod-cups" TSB always provides (read: TSB F1, Stockcar, Battle games, Punaball, Xbowl, 1-lap cups) are getting easilly crowded, in other way the normal racing on Terra gets usually 4 or 5 drivers online.

On brazillian demo server, when players know about TSB F1(with that huge 2mb tracks you don't like), fuel, damage, punaball ... they want to buy the full version.

More features = more players with different racing tastes.

[fasteddie399]

I'm with road.....

The game needs more features, and the ability to make your own cars, tracks, tiles, etc. etc. etc. is one of the *critical* features that make this game appealing to many.

but what the game needs more than ANY of those things is a website that isn't only a fraction of a larger website that deals with many different types of games and different demographics. TurboSliders NEEDS it's OWN website, it's OWN headquarters, it's OWN site administrators, and RUN BY a veteran TS player or player(s).

I have no problem with the idea that someone has been hired to improve things around here, but how long ago was the initial announcement that things are going to change? A long time ago. How much has gotten done so far? The forums were rearranged, and the person hired to do the restructuring is most of the time unreachable. We need more than that, and we need it now.

Don't get me wrong, JGG is the producer and should get its due in advertising, marketing, and of course sales. But the COMMUNITY needs more than that. And, without a happy community, where is the producer going to get its due from?

I'm sure many of you remember the website www.tscups.com run by Mark Burnett. It is unfortunate that he and his site are long gone, but those of you that were visitors to it know that it was the BEST thing that has happened for the TS community since TS 1.0.0 (IMHO). What we need is something similar but improved-upon, something standalone from JGG, and something run by someone who knows the TS game and its community. Everything else will fall into place (how can it not!?!)

http://www.turbosliders.com should NOT redirect you to the producers web PAGE, but rather to a more elaborate and quality web SITE having nothing to do with the rest of JGG's products or services.

Then, and only then, after such particular devotion to the game itself and not the company (JGG), will this "community" everyone keeps talking about evolve.

again - all IMHO. - and I'll do what I can to help, IF I feel the right things are being done.

(yeah - i know i'm gonna get flak for this, but i feel it has to be said)

[Flexman]

to make it easy, i always said "TS not need more statistics feat".

This is ridiculous. You want everything else that is possible but no statistics which would be the easiest part to improve.

and not take a position for who have payed for it and need new feat

But if you do, it's ok?

Just to give you an example, the "mod-cups" TSB always provides (read: TSB F1, Stockcar, Battle games, Punaball, Xbowl, 1-lap cups) are getting easilly crowded

What's crowded for you?

they want to buy the full version.

So, did they buy the full version then?

[Jazzyclub]

easy or not easy, is not must important feat all want, its only for a little group of users like to make a php code to show how good programmers are.
Yes this is true, TS not need better statistics support of how it is now.

[Jeffrey]

if you like play with old graphics, with less feat possible and without all are inside of it now, my friend go back on 0.86b

I agree with Jazzy.

Flexman i think you are reasoning wrong. We are not taking turbo sliders in the wrong direction, we are trying to improve it.

We are not trying to make sliders a 3D simulator, we are just trying to make option that make sense.

The options are there, if you want and like you use them, if you dont like simply disable them.

[road_oktane]

[quote]What's crowded for you? [/quote]
Means 12+ players on server.

[quote]So, did they buy the full version then?[/quote]
Sure.
Jani can say exactly hoy many br players bouth the game.
I estimate about 300 registered players.

[Punatiainen]

One man once said "Who the f*** needs 38 files to build a track?"
I agree, if someone really needs so many files, that's just lack of creativity.

This game is simple 2d game with lots of depth. But i agree with Flexman that some of guys are taking this game to wrong direction.
You can create worlds with existing tiles and if it is absolutely necessary for you to make new graphics, then less than 500kb should be more than enough. And one or two extratiles are just fine, you don't (we don't) need more. Make small things for small game. If it is not enough, please mod Half-life instead.

You should listen to those, who have played the game longer than you have. Some respect for veterans and for our thoughts.

New version will have again new features and that's good. But after that, it could be time to sit back and enjoy those features for a while, instead of keeping asking more. The game is good as it is.

And you don't need to spam the forum every time you get some 'idea'. Discuss it with your friends, get their opinions, and then post one good, carefully considered idea to forum. And, there is another thread for feature requests. If you wanna just chat, go to servers and talk between races.

Flexman wrote:

Players should
- talk less and drive more
- not make new extra tiles all the time
- not always trying to make better graphics until they are 3d in the end
- make one version of your track instead of hundreds different ones
- discuss first with friends about your ideas and then post a good one instead of spamming

I totally agree with that, well said.

Flexman wrote:

JGG and Ande might get a wrong picture of what people want with this game if they only read the voices of the ones who are very hyperactive in this forum here.

Yep.

[Flexman]

Thanks Puna, fine that now also one answered who isn't from the forum spamming fraction. When they say things like:

my reason is= 15mb of game? limited community!

...you really see what they are going for. This is complete nonsense. Soldat (also less than 15 mb) has more community, Sea3d has less than 15 mb and thousands of players, and Turbosliders also had before they thought better graphics are worth $20. Ok it is the way it is now but if you think the game still needs more graphics and more megabytes are better than just having some simple improvements of existing things then this is really going the wrong way.

And generally: The anmount of megabytes doesn't say anything about the quality of the game. If you really think this way then pleaso go and play GunBound (They need 100 MB what could have been done with 10).

One man once said "Who the f*** needs 38 files to build a track?"
I agree, if someone really needs so many files, that's just lack of creativity.

Well said!

An even if they need some they could make them smaller. Oh... I forgot they think more megabytes = better.

[Chevron]

I completely agree with both of you, Puna and Flexman.

Those tracks with >10 files are completely useless crap, people are there for driving, not for looking pretty pictures of dead f1-champions ffs!

There would be more players if the "modders" stopped "modding" and started playing the game itself.

I still remember the cold evening of may when I downloaded TS from MBnet, the first time I started it, the first time I joined a server of Playtrix. The server was full of players playing physically giving no mercy to others, I think that's the true spirit of TS, not some fuel+damage+gunz+Ayrton Senna pic on the grass scheisse.

The only thing I'd like to see is that everyone would RACE, not wank laps on public servers.

Flame me all you want, after all I'm one of those "veterans".

[Hengari]

One man once said "Who the f*** needs 38 files to build a track?"

Yep, that's real pain to go through all those tracks for the ptx-trackpacks and test and test again if you got all the tiles right and if not then searching which are missing. (I try to do my best with my own tiles/tracks)

I agree, if someone really needs so many files, that's just lack of creativity.

New tiles are sometimes good because you get more elements to the track and there are good tiles out there. Also new terrains are ok. And as puna said: "Less than 500kb should be more than enough. And one or two extratiles are just fine".

As the old saying goes: "640kb ought to be enough for anybody".

And you don't need to spam the forum every time you get some 'idea'. Discuss it with your friends, get their opinions, and then post one good, carefully considered idea to forum. And, there is another thread for feature requests. If you wanna just chat, go to servers and talk between races.

Absolutely right, I don't like that people (Jeffrey, Mouse, Jazzy and co.) rant and whine about features and stuff in the wrong topic and again and againg for the same things that has been said many times before.

JGG and Ande might get a wrong picture of what people want with this game if they only read the voices of the ones who are very hyperactive in this forum here.

You're right about that.

The game is with fuel/damage better than before but I don't really mind those features. Basic Slider-racing is still the best although fuel/damage makes is somewhat more fun when with right players.

The game needs more features, and the ability to make your own cars, tracks, tiles, etc. etc. etc. is one of the *critical* features that make this game appealing to many.

You don't need a car-maker or tile-maker stuff. You can already do all of that and we don't really need any more cars. Especially what I have mostly seen. There are good new cars but not so many.

"TS not need more statistics feat".

For what? This isn't a simulation-game. The game already provides lots of statistics with logs and stuff. Just learn to use them.

Phew. A long post with lots of things but to put it short:
The game is good now.

Also I would like to see more optimizing with the network-code and the game code to make it run more smoothly, not so many new features.

[Xaykev]

Why do the so-called veterans here talk bad about the people that want some new features?

You talk like you own the game more than we, that pisses me off.

We paid for the game, and we give some suggestions, that's all.

Some here like to play smaller tracks with a lot of bumbing, others like to play the game more in a F1 style, and somebody like both.

Don't tell others what to like or not to like; if you like small tracks with less graphic, play the game that way.

No reason to act like a child because somebody doesn't want to play TS the way you want.

I'm getting tired of these so-called veterans

[Jeffrey]

First I say to the veterans that you are discussing matters which do not match in this particular topic.

This topic is meant to suggest/fix matters in beta version.


2ND - In this fourm there is a suggestion topic, so please let me and others suggest freely what i/we want. After all we are not suggesting you bud ande, which is the mind after the game.

3RD - If you (and others) don't like our tracks (jazzy, mouse ,jeffrey) simply dont race on them. I'm happy with them, my members love them so i give a damn who play on them or lot. If the game allows track makers to make tiles, let them do what they want. And please don' discuss what is creative or not.

Just play what version you like and what track you like. Fullstop. But please let the others create what they want.

[Jarno]

I think i have to say some things too.

First about this tile/terrain thing. I think bigger problem is number of files comparing to size of the track. It doesnt harm you if you wait some seconds longer(or minutes if you have slow connection) but when you try to keep tracks in some sort of order, it is very painful to search tiles which include in which tracks. But as puna and others are said, tracks can be made using basic tiles. But i also understand those who wants track to look a bit difference. So use own tiles but put those together somehow.

About saying own ideas. Those are welcome but why to write those on every post in here. And why keep telling those one by one. I think it could be good to have that kind of section in hopefully coming TS homepage. There everyone could say what they want and then other players could vote those suggestion. That way ande could easily see what players wants and how much.

About developing this game or not. I think developing is very important part of making this better BUT development should accent more improving features that are already there insted of making new. Personally i need only that TS-homepage(good one). Now there are everything for everyone.

So conclusion for this is that we dont need any new features. We need to develop this game as it is now. Making homepage has very high priority. Someone us like mother and someone like dad and you cant argue that with anyone. That why it is good that TS is offerin everything for everybody.

Se ya in da racing!

[Jazzyclub]

The game is good now.

i agree with Jef & co. if you like the game how it is now, good, but cant say TS not need new feat if someone ask for it, just use the game how it is now, no? you like it? play with it, someone want more feat? pls shut up because if you like the game how it is and the new feat not modify the game how it is now, i cant understand what is your problem!

about veterans: you think have more priority? i can be too a veterans "i play TS since 2004" but i never and never say respect me and my words are better of yours.

to the end, if you wanna respect give first respect!! this is the rule!!

[noe173]

I think that all this arguing if for nothing ... and its just mean that all of
us like the game.

So, the more the group/players = the more ideas for this game of how it can be improved. This for sure will help for out community to grow up!!! with the need of any ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS!!! As the game speaks alone for iteslf..

As regards to game development:

1] if the tracks had to be built on bigger platforms - for sure playability will be much better - especially as regards to F1 track - as even the real one are being done wider...except for the MONACO case... So we must just follow the real thing...if we had to play it in F1 mode

2] I dont agree with Hengari at all when he says:

Absolutely right, I don't like that people (Jeffrey, Mouse, Jazzy and co.) rant and whine about features and stuff in the wrong topic and again and againg for the same things that has been said many times before.

how can someone to dedicates this free time from his own time to design and develop track to be played on this platform be HATED!!!! This is simple IRRESPECTABLE for these player!!!!
If you dont like there track..... play on other tracks - OR JUST DESIGN YOUR OWN!!!

3] I would like to say a word also on what Xaykev said

Why do the so-called veterans here talk bad about the people that want some new features?

he is just right ...we all bought the game - and so every can a have a say what needs to be changed or not.

If the game platform is bigger and with more tiles, the track will be much more enjoyable in F1 style - ALL those other would dont like this style, can still do narrow track - with bumping and no fuel if they want

So everyone is free to play how he like and want.

What i am saying is that with a bigger platform:
- BOTH bigger & NARROW tracks can be supported ( Fair for both)
- more tiles can be used

With Smaller platform (how it is now)
- Only narrow tracks can be created and played

SO I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY ALL THIS ARGUING IS ABOUT????

SORRY TO SAY BUT OR SOME PLAYER ARE SELFFISH OR JUST STUPID!!!

So with larger platform (5000 x 5000) both version (narrow & wide) can be easily created and played!!!! Where as in the current version only narrow track with limited tiles can be created.

As regards to the number of files or download time - we must put our feets to the ground as say the with limtied graphics file will be smaller but for sure playability will be worst!!! - And what for - SOME MORE SECONDS of DOWNLOAD TIME!!!! - which i think it will be worthed waiting for!!!

Another word goes for the SO CALLED "VETERIANS"!!!! - we must all thank these people for updating and keeping this game ALIVE for us all. It does mean they are the LAW, but we must respect them as we should respect more in everyday life an old person saying!!! But we must all work as a whole community and as 1 group - JUST FOR THE BENIFIT for the game.

Last thing as regards to DAMAGES & FUEL - there should be no problem to argue about - as if you don't like it JUST SWITCH IT OFF!!!! SIMPLE


So please let us help all those who have ideas & creativity to input into this game - as for sure the end result will be better for all players playing this wonderful game (not only F1, but Football or bumping car whatsoever ... )!!! [/quote]

[Jazzyclub]

oh another things.
i have read few posts and talk with few of you.

you give me the impression to be racist, because every thing that not said from a Finnish, you criticized it

[dragonstar]

if you like the game how it is now, good, but cant say TS not need new feat if someone ask for it, just use the game how it is now, no? you like it? play with it, someone want more feat? pls shut up because if you like the game how it is and the new feat not modify the game how it is now, i cant understand what is your problem!

Maybe the people who says that the game is good as it is, actually mean that the developing time put to the game should now focus on improving and optimizing features that already are there. For example, you want Ande to develop new weapons or optimize the network-code so you could play fair games with the brazilian guys?

[Jazzyclub]

depends on how feat ande want implement, for me and i just have said that, TS need more easy to use setting by a new reamake of all window.

The network can be good too because it give more stability to the online gaming.

[Hengari]

2] I dont agree with Hengari at all when he says:

Absolutely right, I don't like that people (Jeffrey, Mouse, Jazzy and co.) rant and whine about features and stuff in the wrong topic and again and againg for the same things that has been said many times before.

how can someone to dedicates this free time from his own time to design and develop track to be played on this platform be HATED!!!! This is simple IRRESPECTABLE for these player!!!!
If you dont like there track..... play on other tracks - OR JUST DESIGN YOUR OWN!!!

Hmm, you should learn to read. I didn't say anything about tracks. Just that asking something again and again. Their tracks are ok. And I think I have done my part and used my time enough to comment about these things.

[Jazzyclub]

wow the first one then have nothing against big size tracks!!

[Hengari]

The game is good now.

i agree with Jef & co. if you like the game how it is now, good, but cant say TS not need new feat if someone ask for it.

If I say the game is good now I don't mean that no new features should be wanted or done. Or that players should stop making new things like tiles and stuff.

about veterans: you think have more priority?

I didn't see any words about veterans to have more weight on their words. Just that people should think more about posting and doing things and asking advice from old gamers if needed.

[Hengari]

wow the first one then have nothing against big size tracks!!

As I remember Ande has said that bigger tracks presents lots of problems like video memory and can't be easily done (it may be done or not). And that has been said many times before so stop arguing against that.

[Jazzyclub]

i mean about big size in kilobytes not in resolution, but too a more big resolution for me is good because i have an upgraded computer, not use again a 386 LOL

[dragonstar]

Still have to say few things.

Why people want more and more new feats, when we aren't even using the old ones 100%? Where to stop when it comes to asking new feats, is it like "just one more"? I understand that people who have bought the game deserve the right to tell what they think about it, but IMO we should concentrate more on what we already have, rather than what we could have.

About big tracks:

I don't mind tracks that are even more than 1 mb in size, because you have to download the track only once, but I hate when track contains more than 5 files. How can people organize their tracks-folder when there's dozens of folders like "200x-xx-xx-x" each containing files more or less easy to connect with others from the same track? Some people don't even name their tracks so that one can identify the trackmaker from the track's name, like ds_track.

With my old computer, i couldn't play all those big resolution tracks you guys make. "Fortunately" my old computer broke down and I had to buy a new one, but if it hadn't broke down I would still be playing with the old one and I wouldn't be able to play those huge resolution tracks of yours. The point here is, that IMO you are asking a feature that wouldn't benefit the whole community. So from my point of view, you are asking something for yourself, not for all. And IMO that really isn't good for the game and all it's players.