TS 1.0.8 Beta Released

[Jazzyclub]

right, but by post new idea someone know what the new feat can be...and remember its only a request..

[Mouse]

You guys need to think about what is going on here : Some people want change and some people want things to stay the same. This is the same thing that heppens in life. Polotics in life is the same way, some want change for their nation, hoping it will have a good effect. Others think that the changes will harm their contry. Guys the same thing is going on for TS it is nothing different! You guys need to remember that every has their own ideas, and if they want to speak them, all power to them!
For now i will speak some of my thoughts, you can bash me for them if you want (and i know the ones who will......) but i dont care.

Veterans - indeed it does seem like these veterans think "i have been playing for 2 years, these others dont know what they are talking about." Im not saying ALL veterans think like this, but i can tell some do.

Bashing other's ideas / work - This is one of the worst things that this forum brings. If someone wants to speak their idea, let them do it, there is no need to tell them they are wrong because you have a defferent thought on the subject. Also about tracks - stop bashing people's work!! Many guys like you put in hours of work to make a nice track, they may be doing it for their race team, friends or only themselves, noone has the right to tell someone "you are wasting your time," no matter how you tell them, that is what comes out.

Track sizes - Plain and simple, if the track is to big for you, dont use it. My tracks use about 9 - 11 files total. If you dont want to download the files, or dont want to have to organise all the files, its not my problem. The track makers make tracks for racing, and for no other reason. Anyway, people like their own types of tracks, people are not going to stop using many files per track, so stop bashing people for it.

Peoples ideas - Why is it bad for someone to post a topic for their ideas? Why is it bad? Its not bad at all! If you dont like the idea, mind your own buisness and skip the topic, no need to be a prick and bash the person for it.

These are my thoughts, if you think they are wrong, you are a fool, because thoughts are never wrong.

[mikko]

Mouse said it all. period. Not anyone can decide on behalf of any other person what they like or what they should do or what is a correct opinion.

[fasteddie399]

Well said Mouse, very well said!

[dragonstar]

So you guys don't get me wrong. I previously said that I hate when track has more than 5 files. The thing here is, that I hate that when those tracks comes to me during play, so that they are in those "200x-xx-xx-x"-folders. I don't mind if I download those tracks from a website, because then I can download the files directly in to the right folder.

[Punatiainen]

Mouse wrote:

These are my thoughts, if you think they are wrong, you are a fool, because thoughts are never wrong.

So you mean you are always right. Right. Then it is quite useless to argue with you about anything.

Mouse wrote:

Bashing other's ideas / work - This is one of the worst things that this forum brings.

Tells the man who makes AntisliderF1, which idea is exactly like in my AntiF1. Hmm.. and the image looks familiar. Is it polite first to ask to use other's idea, of course not. Right.
Bashing other's ideas.. you surely know what you are talking about.
(but let's argue about that one elsewhere)

Noe173 wrote:

But we must all work as a whole community and as 1 group - JUST FOR THE BENIFIT for the game.

Well, that would be good, but it's not gonna happen if you look at the differences in this conversation. There have been suggested
that one shouldn't make too big/many tiles/tracks, and it has been told what are the reasons behind this. But those others don't give a shit. Okay.

Jeffrey wrote:

First I say to the veterans that you are discussing matters which do not match in this particular topic.

And there is another thread for feature requests. Maybe you would like to continue your posts there. This one was meant for finding bugs and fixes for 1.08 version.
Well, we are way out of topic now, that's for sure.

jazzyclub wrote:

pls shut up because if you like the game how it is and the new feat not modify the game how it is now, i cant understand what is your problem!

I can't undertand a word you are saying. Speak english, thanks.

This game is based on 2d game called slicks'n slide back in the 90s. How many of you have played that game? (no need to answer). I recommend give it a try, that should give some perspective what kind of game we are talking about here.

At least, that would help you to understand us, who had played this game a long time and why we like it.

But if your attitude is that you're always right, and f*** the veterans and so on, then that's just a damn shame.

No need to continue this conversation any further. This ain't going nowhere anymore.

Hopefully game will go in right direction, to direction that offers lots of fun and exciting races for everyone, with some slicks'n spirit in it.

[Mouse]

"So you mean you are always right. Right. Then it is quite useless to argue with you about anything." - Puna

What i am saying is that THOUGHTS are peoples ideas. They are not wrong, nor are they right. Nobody here is speaking facts of course. You understand what i am saying now?

And that car issue you brought up is a separate issue. I am trying to get a hold of you to talk in private about this, but now you bring it up in the forums, if you have a problem with it talk to ME in private please. You have my e mail (if not, you can find it in many places, including this forum) so we will talk 1v1 - private.

And what Jazzy, Jeffrey, and XayKev are trying to say is that the Veterans do not have the biggest voice here. It does not matter how long people have been playing, its about how much people care / contrubute to this game. And Puna, you said it yourself that the Veteran's word is better than other's, that is bad.

[mikko]

Punatiainen: Jazzyclub's english is not perfect but neither is yours. I would classify them both as "understandable". In my opinion, your insult was quite unnecessary.

Concerning correctness of the opinions of Mouse, I would guess that he is the only one who can know for sure that the opinions he expressed were actually his real thoughts. Unless he lied on purpose, his opinions were his real thoughts, in which case he had exactly the correct opinions.

[noe173]

MOUSE VERY GOOD!!!

that what i want to say before. Nobody can stop someone from doing or saying something he like and wants...

Please let us all HELP these people who are using there own free time in this game --- FOR US ALL

This is a game open to may different solutions and for us all --- It is where CREATIVITY and NEW IDEAS can develop to the benifit for future players....

SO the more and bigger the better.... then if you dont want to use it all....
noone will stop you

IN this way everyone will be free to be creative to as he like and wish!!

At the end i wish to thank JEF & JAZZY .. & other who spend there time thinking and developing new track FOR US ALL

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

KEEP IT UP!!!

[fasteddie399]

Punatiainen: Jazzyclub's english is not perfect but neither is yours. I would classify them both as "understandable". In my opinion, your insult was quite unnecessary.

Concerning correctness of the opinions of Mouse, I would guess that he is the only one who can know for sure that the opinions he expressed were actually his real thoughts. Unless he lied on purpose, his opinions were his real thoughts, in which case he had exactly the correct opinions.

Agreed, and, agreed. There are too many immature comments being made here lately. Can we all just settle the **** down?

[dragonstar]

And what Jazzy, Jeffrey, and XayKev are trying to say is that the Veterans do not have the biggest voice here.

Nobody has the biggest voice here, but you must agree that one can name about 5 people who write over 50% of the texts here. So you must understand what kind of expression that gives to other people.

It does not matter how long people have been playing, its about how much people care / contrubute to this game.

You can't claim that these so called veterans don't care/contribute to this game? If they rarely speak here, one can't say that their opinions are wrong (or right).

SO the more and bigger the better

I have also heard that bigger = better ain't always true. It's about how you use it.

The point of this message is that who really has the best ideas for the game? Is it better to have more new features which may make the game more complex and decentralize players to different sections of the game, or is it better first to try to make the current version of the game work as fluent as possible and use the already existing features as efficient as possible? (Phew, what a sentence) I think that everyone agrees that the main goal is to get more players, but the road to that remains unknown.

[riccardof]

Ok Guys,
Let me share my opinion...I think turbosliders started as a simple 2-D game, I am 31.. I remember the old Commodore/Atari games! PC's and games improved a lot, I guess noone would disagree on that!

Turbosliders is a fascinating game and it is more fascinating that there is this forum where one can put up suggestions, and I find amazing the fact that like other games it is customizable!

I love3 this game and the fact that we simulate the F1 championship is really thrilling especially since we race online.

What I suggest is that one cannot limit the potential of those who generate brilliant ideas how to develop further this game, this is the beauty of CUSTOMIZING!

Motorcycles for example can be left as standard, or customized(chrome bits, etc.) There are those who prefer the neat and simple game and then there are those who would like it modded up!

So we should accept both views so that players can choose which version they want to play! As simple as that!

Well done to everyone who works long hours just to improve or develops this game!!!!

[Flexman]

Maybe the people who say that the game is good as it is, actually mean that the developing time put to the game should now focus on improving and optimizing features that already are there.

Exactly!

Those tracks with >10 files are completely useless crap, people are there for driving, not for looking pretty pictures of dead f1-champions ffs!
...
The server was full of players playing physically giving no mercy to others, I think that's the true spirit of TS, not some fuel+damage+gunz+Ayrton Senna pic on the grass scheisse.

Well said.

It doesnt harm you if you wait some seconds longer(or minutes if you have slow connection)

This harms too because new players or players wo didn't play often recently do not see the tracks and chose the wrong car then. And then they end up in a server where drivers are complaining about them taking this car. That happend to a friend and so he immediately quit playing again...

SO the more and bigger the better....

This is complete nonsense. Or are you one of those guys who buy a microwave oven with TV display and Internet connection?

This game is based on 2d game called slicks'n slide back in the 90s.

That's the point. That's what this game is ment to be.

Why people want more and more new feats, when we aren't even using the old ones 100%?

And this is a very good point! Just take a look into the servers and see how empty they are. If something is going on then mostly not in a racing server. That's not what a racing game is ment to be.

pls shut up

That's exactly what we were asking you. If anyone is not your opinion it seems that you are telling him that he is wrong.

So you can't understand why we are complaining? We do that because
1. we think JGG and Ande might get a wrong idea of what players want if they only see your postings all the time and
2. we already saw that it really works this way now. Because instead of developing a better network code, better playability, better object recognization, getting more players the new versions always had some new features that might be nice but no one but you really needed them.

At the end I'd like to remind you that these problems all exist because there are too less players. If there were more players then the one group can have their Forumla 1 simulation, the other group could have their Turbosliders spirit. But this means that the main work should focus on how to get new players. And this is not done with adding and adding new features all the time which will get you far away from racing. They'd really have to do some experiments with the demo mode.

But the situation should really be solved soon because more and more guys are taking about reawaking the old version. I'm sure no one wants to annoy Ande with that but it's now 1 1/2 years that nothing happened concerning the numbers of online opponents. So please stop your feature requests until there are enough players for all the different game types. Then everyone can be happy.

[Mouse]

Dragonstar - Indeed, that is my point that everyone's voice / thoughts / ideas are all equal, i agree with you. For sure i am NOT saying anything bad about veterans, i know there are many that contribute. Dragonstart i agree with you totally.

I guess another factor that plays a role in all of this is how well we know each other / if we are friends ect.... For example, if Mike Nike were to give me his thoughts, i would remember them and understand him, since he is a friend. But if Puna were to tell me his thoughts, of course i would forget them as fast as i read them, because we do not get along so well here.

Either way, i hope that this all will come together in a good way soon!

PS - Indeed those were my real thoughts, i have no need to say anything different.

[Jazzyclub]

the real problem for the new players is the price of the game!!
20€ its realy expensive!!! why in brasil JGG sell TS something like 6€? and you can see the brasilian community its huge!!! so stop you to say ts not need new feat.
im with you to improving game play, network code etc... but with more feat like punaball battle etc... the game can assemble many times of gaming for many type of flavor...

[Jazzyclub]

for the problem of track size, an awesome new feat can be to compress all those files in a .GZ file like AI lines...

[Flexman]

20€ its realy expensive!!! why in brasil JGG sell TS something like 6€? and you can see the brasilian community its huge!!! so stop you to say ts not need new feat.

They do? If this is true then not the features are the reason, the price is the reason! Otherwise there'd be more new European players too if the features are soo important like you say all the time. But this would prove that it is the price.

And that is what i say all the time. Don't care about features now care about other things, like promotion, price and demo-mode. If we have the players then we can think about the new features.

[Jazzyclub]

what do you mean about demo-mode?

[Flexman]

what do you mean about demo-mode?

We had these discussions very often and I can recommend you to read this thread again. The demo mode as it is now is a pain for the community.

Demo players do not take a longer view on the game if they have only three tracks and they do not see any reason to register when all other servers are empty most of the time. And people who register a racing game for some bonus features like battle mode are exceptions.

Instead of adding new features all the time there should be some experiments with different demo modes. It's more useful since we already saw that more additional features don't bring more players. Since 1.0 there where now 8 versions with more and more features but the players decreased. I hope we now are at the point where other things than more functions are considered.

If there are more players then there is no need for further discussions. There can be servers for big and small tracks - all will be full and all will be happy. But more features like battle mode etc. don't make more players. The problem is somewhere else.

[Ande]

for the problem of track size, an awesome new feat can be to compress all those files in a .GZ file like AI lines...

I have been thinking about this. However, it would not compress the size much since in big tracks, most of the size is taken by PNG and JPG files which can't be packed much any more. However, the good thing would be that there would always be only one file. Bad thing would be that if a file had common tile graphics with other tracks, you would have to include it in every track. Currently, automatic downloader does not redownload the same files you try to download during the same session (one server cup).

[Jazzyclub]

and something like a crc information file of the packet? like track hash

[Chevron]

For sure i am NOT saying anything bad about veterans, i know there are many that contribute.

I'm getting a feeling that you're saying veterans who don't make tracks/cars are useless to the community. I really hope you're not because I for one don't make tracks since I don't have the time/interest needed for that. (And for example Puna's or Jarno's tracks are great already.) The point is that I'm still contributing as a player and players are what the community really needs. (Otherwise the servers would be empty always.)

[noe173]

FIRST of all if there all this BIG dissussion going on -JUST MEANS that we are a BIG group = MANY IDEAS

..and NOT AS SOMEONE SAID THAT SERVERS ARE EMPTY

The point is that I'm still contributing as a player and players are what the community really needs. (Otherwise the servers would be empty always.)

so our community is already big...Moreover for you information we are already with our own server hosting a whole F1 championship between us
and its really fun!!!

The game is not just there to be played !!! BUT also to be developed and we need all player with creativity to put there CREATIVITY and IDEAS in action!!!

As i said before regarding the SIZE: the BIGGER the BETTER - i still think is the best solution for all

1] AS if you have a BIGGER track size - you can still design both NARROW and WIDE track - because the editor will support various SIZES!!!

2] If the track size is BIG as SIZE - eg: 5000 x 5000 pix - you can always put the track available for download when you want!!!! So no need to wait to download before playing!!!

3] Another issue - Simple tracks VS Elaborated Track
Who has lower version of game and an old computer have to play simple track, and those who have latest version and powerful (P3+) can play both.
With this issue we cannot stop development due to some players have old computers!!! It like staying the have DVD technology and still using VIDEO techonolgy!!!!
DEVELOPMENT MUST CONTINUE!!!!

Hope that at the end everyone will be happy with the end results of all this discussion. In TS we have the full benfit of customisable software and the option to enable and disable what you like...


So let us help these CREATIVE player who want to DEVELOP there ideas into this game ---
AFTER ALL ITS NOT FOR THEM BUT FOR US & AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER IS ALWAYS TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE & NOT THE PASS!!!!!

[Flexman]

FIRST of all if there all this BIG dissussion going on -JUST MEANS that we are a BIG group = MANY IDEAS

..and NOT AS SOMEONE SAID THAT SERVERS ARE EMPTY

Then just take a look. Servers are empty most of the time. And Brasilian servers are no use for European playerse because it lags too much for us.

BUT also to be developed and we need all player with creativity to put there CREATIVITY and IDEAS in action!!!

But when having your ideas please keep in mind that this game is supposed to be some kind of windows version of Slick'n'Slide and not something that wants to become Formula 1 GP 2007.

As i said before regarding the SIZE: the BIGGER the BETTER - i still think is the best solution for all

It's not the best solution for all and it also limits the community because someone with an older computer cannot play this game. Older computers still are a good target group for 2d games, and also some newer Laptops with shared memory graphics have already problems with Turbosliders so there is no need for excluding possible players now. Also huge tracks with few players are more boring and not a really good advertisement for players who want to register.

2] If the track size is BIG as SIZE - eg: 5000 x 5000 pix - you can always put the track available for download when you want!!!! So no need to wait to download before playing!!!

This does not work, as not everyone is informed everytime anyone puts his new giant track on the server. Also it still will be a problem for laptops with pre-shared graphics memory.

Who has lower version of game and an old computer have to play simple track, and those who have latest version and powerful (P3+) can play both.

That's true but that also means that you have to keep tracks small until you have enough players to split them up in different servers. But as long as we need each player we shouldn't exclude anyone just because his computer isn't new.

It like staying the have DVD technology and still using VIDEO techonolgy!!!!

That's something completely differnet. As soon as there are enough players you can make bigger tracks. Shops also didn't sell more DVDs when most people still had Video players.

[noe173]

Just for your information i never saw a game that was not developed!!!!on all platforms!!!
New version were published year after year!!!! & no one ever took care who can run them or not.... IT THE PACE OF TECHNOLOGY!!!!

Flexman said

It's not the best solution for all and it also limits the community because someone with an older computer cannot play this game. Older computers still are a good target group for 2d games, and also some newer Laptops with shared memory graphics have already problems with Turbosliders so there is no need for excluding possible players now. Also huge tracks with few players are more boring and not a really good advertisement for players who want to register.

It is not true that with bigger track file will be bigger!!!! as the game would also support the EXISTING games.

So to gain player a fill server full we must:

1] Make more options player can choose from
narrow & wide track

2] F1 car, Nascar, Sliders, etc - as not every like the same kinds
of tracks and also cars!!!

I agree that we must not leave out player with SLOW computer.... BUT on the other hand we cannot STOP DEVELOPMENT due to them!!!

SO DEVELOPMENT must go on.... as it occurs in every day life

Flexman CAN NEVER SURE why servers are empty!!!!

1] maybe players dont like tracks

2] maybe players have bad connection

3] maybe players dont like race type (f1 or slider or etc...)


So we must open all DOOR and not close possible DEVELOPMENT!!!!

last thing about F1 PLAYING, as Flexman said

But when having your ideas please keep in mind that this game is supposed to be some kind of windows version of Slick'n'Slide and not something that wants to become Formula 1 GP 2007.

PLEASE if you never tried to play F1 on TS ...
first try it
then COMMENT!!!

OK
... if you want come on our server with already 20 F1 track....
so PLEASE before talking ... first try...

as some out there talk talk talk .... but they dont know how really
things are.. & i cannot understand why they are against DEVELOPMENT....

Track developers want biggers space... so if they say so they are the only people who know what right or wrong & not we THE NORMAL PLAYERS

...SO PLEASE LEAVE THE BE CREATIVE & WORK FOR THE BENIFIT OF ALL