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Post by [v8]Sicofonia » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:28 pm

About the 101%-105%-107%-110%... rule I really disagree, because we all know who could be damaged if its applied (mainly wolf)...and this cup host a small number of racers. On some tracks top racers can set a blistering pace which is impossible to reach for some drivers (me included), so only 5 or 4 guys would be able to take part on race. Furthermore, what if a fast guy(for example mike) gets blocked every lap on the qualify session and he cannot set a proper time and got out; that would be also unfair.
Besides, from my point of view getting blocked while you are lapping its a matter of behaviour or even by misundersanding. I can tell you that in donnington race I was struggling on 7th place and Joseph 8th was close to me; joe uses an orange car...and after a pit stop I had an orange car behind me...I thought it was joe approaching to me, but it was dede(he also drives an orange car); it took me 1 whole lap to realize that I was being lapped after I pressed TAB button (of course that's was my fault, but its an example of misunderstanding). Well, on the last one there were no problems with dede, 'cause I could recognize his car easily this time.

So all I have to say is give them some time, the last race was pretty good, and this sort of problems are common while racing online. There's no reason for banning, punishment, whatever...at least for the moment :P
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Post by -wolf- » Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:46 pm

I dont want this rule to be applied too because it may be hard to get the 107% of your record not just for me, i think it may be hard for someone else. See, Jeff, almost everyone disagrees so you better change your opinion to "no".

It was nice to hear you guys thinking about me improving. Thanks. I told you im doing my best but im still not fast enough to get to be for example fifth of ten. and thats what i want. im not gonna come last and im not gonna gome pre-last (if tahts a word) like i did on monday ill come above some people on next race, i just know it.
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Post by Mouse » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:04 pm

Based on the race yesterday, i agree there is no need for any rule like this. If lapped drivers can move out of the way of leaders, there is no problem at all. Some times, the leaders themselves can help out, by staying back a bit and giving the car ahead a bit of time to move, so there is no collision. Sometimes though (i suppose most often) that cannot be done, leaders are always pushing to keep or improve position. (btw sorry wolf, for the push in the chicaine, Waza was adding some pressure from a few seconds back, i was pushing so he would not gain on me).

Jeffrey, i think you have your answer now. :)
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Post by dede » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:33 pm

mouse wrote:Sometimes though (i suppose most often) that cannot be done, leaders are always pushing to keep or improve position.
In my first race there was no need to push because of my big margin, but this time loosing 3-4 seconds could have been fatal, expecially in the first part of the race.

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Post by Mouse » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:12 am

dede wrote:
mouse wrote:Sometimes though (i suppose most often) that cannot be done, leaders are always pushing to keep or improve position.
In my first race there was no need to push because of my big margin, but this time loosing 3-4 seconds could have been fatal, expecially in the first part of the race.
Right, i know. What i mean, is that if there is a chance for a driver to gain or lose a spot, he wants to push, not hold back. My whole race yesterday was pushing....i was able to hang with Mike for a while, but after the first pit stop he was gone. I thought "hmm i wonder if he is going faster, or if i am going slower" so i pushed.

For the next race, i hope i can keep up with you 2, im not sure really why i am so much slower, if it is my fuel strategy or my lap times. This week i will work less on fuel, and try to improve lap times.
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Post by Mouse » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:03 pm

Rockingham:

Well the next race at Rockingham is going to be very interesting. It is very tight, so passing is going to be very hard. Qualifying will be important, and a clean first lap is needed.

Guys, remember to have your finger on the brake key/button when you enter the pit, there is no slow-down terrain here.

Jeffrey, will there be some sort of penalty against aggressive pit entry? If someone comes flying in and hits another car, i don't think it should be something to forget about, as it can cost another driver time. Make the driver think "i better brake good here, i don't want a penalty." This can go along with Aum, which also has no slow-down terrain.

btw - again, nice race [v8]s, that was tight. Too bad it took away any chance of making that a calm race for me! :P
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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:25 am

I'm really sorry for what happened to Wolf.

When i asked if everything is allright to start race, everyone told me Ok.

So i immediatly hit the command /continue.

I did not recognise that Wolf was not there. In fact during the first laps i tried to locate him on track, cause me and him are +/- on the same lines.

I could not stop the race, because the race had started.

Sorry Wolf. But its was not my fault.

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Post by Mouse » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:53 am

I saw wolf disconnect just before you started, not even 1 second, so it is not your fault Jeffrey.

I hope next week there is no lag. It did not give me too many problems, just a few. Waza in first laps was all over the track from lag, it slowed me down a lot (but also slowed the v8 drivers, so not too much of a bad thing). I had a few warps which caused 2 little crashes, lucky for me, it was not enough for Alev to get a passing chance when i was in 3rd.
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Post by wazaari » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:17 am

mouse wrote:I saw wolf disconnect just before you started, not even 1 second, so it is not your fault Jeffrey.

I hope next week there is no lag. It did not give me too many problems, just a few. Waza in first laps was all over the track from lag, it slowed me down a lot (but also slowed the v8 drivers, so not too much of a bad thing). I had a few warps which caused 2 little crashes, lucky for me, it was not enough for Alev to get a passing chance when i was in 3rd.
For me server wasn t playble!!
Forced to stop once again...
No more fun in training hard all week and then being forced to fight for last positions :cry:

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Post by -wolf- » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:12 pm

its allright jeff. all i saw is my toca 15 car - i had to choose it and then my computer turned off. But i hope in few days im getting a new PC.
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Post by [v8]Sicofonia » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:44 pm

mouse wrote: btw - again, nice race [v8]s, that was tight. Too bad it took away any chance of making that a calm race for me! :P
Yes it was a good race, I didn't expect to be fighting for the 3rd place after a warp sent me out of the track, and then relegate me to the last place. Fortunatly you all had problems while fighting and I could reach the pack again. Well, only to finish 5th xD.

About the "wolf-gate" ;), it was a shame...that things happen when you are playing online, and it wasn't jeff fault as all happened in less than a second!!!

Can't wait the next race.
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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:29 pm

I think today's race had less lag than last race.

Just to inform driver - Wolf that an investigation is going on his driving level in last race.

Two individuals (not including me) are investigating the case.

Their reports will be shown here and finally a decision is taken.

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Post by dede » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:04 am

I had quite bad warps during 1st warmup (maybe caused by wrong prediction settings). Race was pretty nice without any warp (well, maybe 1 but it caused nothing). Thanks for the race and great job Jeff again :)

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Post by u9 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:42 pm

Jeffrey, just wanted to say you throw (or is that hold?) an excellent tournament. Excellent website too. I haven't read all 6 pages here (slow reader ;) ) but when will the next cup be? Will there be a "next cup?" I'm sure you can sign me up for then next one :)
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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:58 pm

Future international Cups... yes of course. But do not know when.

Soon i will be busy with the local f1 season.

We need more quality tracks.. we lack them :(

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Post by Mouse » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:03 pm

Jeffrey, for future international cups, i would love to have the GPOR tracks feature. Torrington, Whetstone (newest) and maybe even 1 or 2 ovals! Of course, these are the only 2 GP tracks i have done for the pack so far, but i will make more (6 is the goal, maybe more). It is early to make any plans i know, but give it some thought. :)
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Post by dede » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:59 pm

Tracks by Bigcarva are good too, maybe :wink:

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Post by wazaari » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:14 pm

dede wrote:Tracks by Bigcarva are good too, maybe :wink:
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Post by Mouse » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:27 pm

For the next race, no lap amount was announced yet. Since Jeffrey always asks me for it anyway, i will announce now.

Aum = 35 laps

This will bring us to around 20 minutes for the race, like all the others.

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Post by -wolf- » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:36 pm

20 minutes? i though they all went so fast!
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Post by Jeffrey » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:05 am

Disciplinary Report [wolf]
By [Name to be kept private]

I saw a total of 7 incidents while watching wolf’s race, one of which was quite bad. Here is a list.

• Lap 1 – After going off track, he brought his car back on track rapidly. His car flew in front of / in between a few cars, making contact with 3 of them.
• Lap 5 – Pushing Riccardo, unfair challenging for position.
• Lap 6 – Blocking Sicofonia, who was a lap in front.
• Lap 6 – Blocking leader, Dede. Reckless crash in turn 1 caused Dede to crash also
• Lap 10 – A serious incident. In the top right hairpin turn, wolf drove into the turn with no brake, at a very bad angle. This pushed Jeffrey up the track and hard into the tires. May not have been on purpose, but it was very reckless and stupid.
• Lap 12 – Interfering with leaders. Battling with the leaders for position, though they were a lap in front. No effort to let them pass.
• Lap 14 – Pushing BluT and blocking. BluT was a lap in front.

The rest of the race I saw nothing else to be concerned of. His driving style though, is very distracting. When you are near him, you cant help but think “oh no.â€

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Post by -wolf- » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:32 pm

it doesnt matter for me as the nest race will be the last race for me because i got school then.

PS when i was blocking i was trying to let him go but he was always trying to go around me on a side where i go so he would go around me on the opposite side. and also, usually behind the drivers which i had too let pass were the drivers that were behind me and i didnt want to let them pass so i didnt want to lower speed so i didnt know what to do. and i dont really care about the next race, will u ban me or not i will loose anyway.
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Post by dede » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:43 pm

-wolf- wrote:and also, usually behind the drivers which i had too let pass were the drivers that were behind me and i didnt want to let them pass so i didnt want to lower speed so i didnt know what to do.
Eh?

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Post by Mouse » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:14 pm

dede wrote:
-wolf- wrote:and also, usually behind the drivers which i had too let pass were the drivers that were behind me and i didnt want to let them pass so i didnt want to lower speed so i didnt know what to do.
Eh?
Whguguh wha!?

Wolf i guess you just need to learn to let people pass no matter what. What angle they are coming from, what speed, where on the track. If you need to, pull off the track, but hesitating will cause problems.

Oh, and don't try to re-pass drivers +1lap, thats just not good.
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Post by [v8]Sicofonia » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:05 pm

I have to inform that I wont take the start at the Aum race, cause i have an exam on monday's evening.
That's all.
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