night mod

[dede]

instead to try kick out from TS community other players, kick yourself and give peace for this community

[Newton]

Jazzy, Start acting like a grown-up or leave the forum. Please.

Flexman is so right that one can be. I hope that xzeal will take part in this conversation too more than just dropping that hilarious sarcastic comment at the first page. He is sure a player that one should listen to.

It seems that you guys need even more of our criticism.
We won't let you kill this game.

[dede]

instead to try kick out from TS community other players, kick yourself and give peace for this community

for you too, Newton

[Flexman]

well have fun with your 5 player community then

maybe it's not jazzys fault that the publishers rather listen to people with the loudest voice (or the biggest letters...), but it would be better for all if non of you'd see the situation with the current demo as a fact.

[Jazzyclub]

life for speed have only 1 track for demo players, but it have a lot of people playing everyday, how?

[mikko]

Constructive, mature discussion, isn't it? Perhaps it would be best to end this conversation. Everyone seems to have their own predetermined opinions, which are unlikely to change.

[Flexman]

life for speed have only 1 track for demo players, but it have a lot of people playing everyday, how?

Life for Speed is 3d. The market for 2d games is not so big. But I guess you are working on a 3d pack anyway.

[Mouse]

OK guys, i have a beautiful little question for you!

Some say "What we should focus on in TS should be to bring new players, not new features."

While this would be a very good thing, here is the problem: People like me and Jazzy cannot bring new players. We can spam a bit, but what will this do.....

So the question is, since we cannot bring new players, why are we told wrong by making mods? Is it so bad to try to give the game some more playability for the people already playing?

What is the problem with this:

JGG(hmm) and Dede's website project (and maybe some other things) can try to bring new players.

The community builders (me, Jazzy, trackmakers ect.....) can bring new gameplay features.

I agree now that Ande can focus on other things besides gamplay features (though a few will be nice for the loyal players). But why do the community builders get attacked for their work?

Newton: I have never played .86B when it was online, so i cannot say anything about it. You do not have a 1.0.x liscense.... what do you know about the game as it is now? I just cannot take your comments in this situation. If anyone is to exit the forum, i would rather it is you, because i have only read negative things from you. Jazzy has done nothing but good for this game and the community, i can understand his anger when he is attacked for it.

Again to sum up my main point: It is not the community's job to bring new players (though we thank very much the ones who do/try), so do not attack the ones who try to give the current players some more gameplay styles.

[Flexman]

So the question is, since we cannot bring new players, why are we told wrong by making mods?

The problem here is that unless there are more players, there should not be so many possibilities. Just one server per continent should do it. And this server should be with standard tiles and cars to keep it as simple as possible. Also just few laps (e.g. 4) so that new players don't become bored because they don't have a chance.

If there are more players then you can go on having different game types. But now having so many different things and so few players is not good in my opinion.

[xzeal]

I hope that xzeal will take part in this conversation too more than just dropping that hilarious sarcastic comment at the first page.

That part was sincere, but It is true I didn't say quite a lot that was on my mind. He did do a good job with the night mod, for example I couldn't do that and it does look good.

However I probably won't race it... ever. No offence, but I even stay away from custom cars. I just think this night mod/addon will join the dozens mods/addons made before, that people barely remember and no one plays.

I agree with Newton to some extent (the 0.86b being more authentic). But seriously Newton buy ts1.0 already you stubborn geezer. Or host some 0.86b races, I'd join.

PS:

WE DONT NEED YOUR CRITICISM

Speak for yourself, I'm all for criticism and he wasn't exaclty criticizing you, but TS in general.

[Mouse]

So the question is, since we cannot bring new players, why are we told wrong by making mods?

The problem here is that unless there are more players, there should not be so many possibilities. Just one server per continent should do it. And this server should be with standard tiles and cars to keep it as simple as possible. Also just few laps (e.g. 4) so that new players don't become bored because they don't have a chance.

If there are more players then you can go on having different game types. But now having so many different things and so few players is not good in my opinion.

But i dont think it is pushing any players away from the game. I know there are a lot of people who enjoy custom race types, so they have an option.

I think overall, default racing is always the most popular. I dont know of many (well, any) people who do not enjoy some form of it, so this will never be overlapped by new race types.

Most new race types are not used so often anyway. Take XBumpz for example. Last year there was a week where all you saw were XB servers. People played it all the time. But it only lasted for about a week, and people went back to using default cars racing. Same thing happend with Missile Battle when 108 launched. So, i think most mods only have a breif spurt of popularity.

[dede]

The problem here is that unless there are more players, there should not be so many possibilities. Just one server per continent should do it. And this server should be with standard tiles and cars to keep it as simple as possible. Also just few laps (e.g. 4) so that new players don't become bored because they don't have a chance.

Ok Flexman.. I'm going to kill all servers and leave only one:

LAPWANKING 200 LAPS - EASYSLIDER ONLY

In this way players won't have choice: they must play there. Let's see if it works.



Anyway guys (Mouse, Jazzy, other TS 1.0.x players), we realized that:

- Newton is criticising Jazzyclub though he doesn't know what TS 1.0.x is and how this mod can be used
- Flexman believes that Jazzy's mod will add a new server in which some player will go -> more servers where players will split
- mikko likes record hunting and doesn't play online so often, so nothing changed for him between old TS and new TS (I would agree with him if I were only a lapwanker - Fortunately I've enough free time to play online too)


As I said earlier, I don't see the point in continuing this conversation. What do we have to proove? Nothing.

Thank you Jazzy for your work, that's all.

[Newton]

@mouse

ou do not have a 1.0.x liscense.... what do you know about the game as it is now? I just cannot take your comments in this situation.

Well I have played ts since March 2004. Although I kind a 'retired' from playing since 0.86b was knocked out, I continued (and still continue) to observe how the game is doing. I have played the demo dozens of times when the 1.0 came out. I have even played the full version at my friend's (whom also quit playing before the year changed). I have visited the main server frequently to check if there would be players online and I have done this as so called busy online times. I have numerous videos of different cups played in 1.0 times and finally I have also played punaball again dozens of times. I know exactly what's happening with the game right now.

@xzeal

But seriously Newton buy ts1.0 already

Never

host some 0.86b races, I'd join.

Yes, It would be nice to race with the old school players again.
I'll see what I can do.

[Hengari]

As I said earlier, I don't see the point in continuing this conversation. What do we have to proove? Nothing.

Earlier I thinked about replying some more to Newtons and Flexmans posts but dede is right, we have nothing to prove and not to those who doesn't wan't to hear the facts but stick to fiction.

one server per continent

O_o you must be kidding with that idea.

[Flexman]

Well, these stupid discussions always start because there are too few players.

I personally do not like most of Jazzys ideas of the game (except his great rallye cars which make big tracks less boring), but on the other side they might not harm the game either. And if there were more players there would be a server for everyone.

Guess these discussions start because we somehow have to arrange us as long as there is only one full server at the same time. And many are not happy with the servers where the action takes place, so we have to find a compromise here. It's also a shame that there still isn't an official dedicated server.

[Flexman]

Ok Flexman.. I'm going to kill all servers and leave only one:

LAPWANKING 200 LAPS - EASYSLIDER ONLY

In this way players won't have choice: they must play there. Let's see if it works.

No that doesnt work. It's not attractive for players who just pop in and drive.

Fun Tracks, 4 Laps, 20 Races. That works.

Well and all the Mods (not only jazzys) made us having tracks which need 2MB now...

[dede]

Fun Tracks, 4 Laps, 20 Races. That works.

Sure? I'm sure that many players will quit if TS offers only that. And I would pretend my 16 € back (and with me also those 30 players that bought through me, AT LEAST).

[Flexman]

Fun Tracks, 4 Laps, 20 Races. That works.

Sure? I'm sure that many players will quit if TS offers only that.

Not so many like those who quit already because of the current settings.

But as I said: When players increase like you said then there can be servers for everyone!

[dede]

Not so many like those who quit already because of the current settings.

Who quit because of current settings? How do you know? People simply get pissed off after playing 4 years (364days/year, 24hours/day) to the same game. Or new games take TS's place.

[mikko]

- mikko likes record hunting and doesn't play online so often, so nothing changed for him between old TS and new TS (I would agree with him if I were only a lapwanker - Fortunately I've enough free time to play online too)

Yes, dede, I like lapwanking but I like racing equally much. The problem is, there are way too few moments when I can play without interruptions. Whenever I have a chance to play, but not without interruptions, I usually drive offline. When I believe I may have a chance to drive without interruptions, I take a look at the servers if there is some action going on. Too often the case is that there is only punaball going on (I don’t do that) or the only racing action is at thedude’s demo server. I occasionally jump in, but I’m kind of fed up with those demo tracks. I used to drive a lot at the demo server during 2005, even though I already had the full license.

I don’t know how much action is actually going on at the full servers, but usually when I check, there is not a lot. But in those few cases I see a lot of action I jump in. I do not like driving against just 2-3 opponents, but something like 10 sounds like a lot of fun. Then you can expect to see me. That’s how it was very often in 2005 at the demo server, while the full version servers were mostly empty. Yes, I know, I could go there and wait for others to join, but I lack the patience. That’s one of the negative sides of me. My wife could tell you millions others (one is that I sit in front of computer too much).

I hope the situation changes in near future, both in consideration of “interruption-freeâ€

[Mouse]

well and all the Mods (not only jazzys) made us having tracks which need 2MB now...

That is not true! I suppose by mod, you would mean Photoshopped tracks (which, are mods i suppose). Look at this example of track sizes:

Toca pack (from the TSM Summer Toca Tour):
8 tracks (6 by Jazzy, 1 by me and 1 by BigCarva)
4MB - So .5MB per track

My GPOR Pack
17 Tracks (racing, puna, Xbumps, missile battle, all kinds of modes...
3MB - 17 Tracks all only 3MB!!!! Not each track 3MB, all 17 added = 3MB

Back when PS tracks were started, size was a problem, but now, as you can clearly see, good track makers know how to keep size low.

I guess this is indeed a stupid topic, it wont change anything. The Newtons will still complain, the Jazzys will still create.

[Jazzyclub]

and another problem was: now one of JGG group or ande or hatu have posted here, this game going to be a abandoned game..what they are doing? 1 answer per year?

no news
no support
no events
no centralized webpage
no active partecpating (or never)

if doing nothing become a work, the JGG group are the master in the world!

[Jeffrey]

SORRY BUT I CAN'T STAND THIS ANYMORE.

LETS ALL ASK THIS QUESTION BELOW TO OURSELVES:

WHAT HAVE I DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY?

THEN WHO THINKS WHO HAVE DONE A LOT CAN START ATTACKING OTHERS.

[dede]

[wazaari]

uhm, just 1 little suggestion.
Instead of discussing about unsolvable arguments and wasting your precious time in writing unusefull posts you could investe that time in the organisation of some cups.
Game is good, it can be improved yes, but it is good also now.
Yesterday i organised a cup and server was full (20 players).
If someone really wants can do the same.
You just need 10 min to set rules and then people will come ( i will surely come ).
It is surely more proficuos then these posts.
Nothing against people who express their opinion....but this situation is not so new for me. Let's start doing something (as jeffrey suggested).
and pls.....no more of those stupid wanking cups, let's play all toghter.