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I guess that a good solution would be to exclude players from Rookie Championship basing on their real skills. And that's what we will do.
Example: if Whiplash decides to skip Pre-Qualifying and to qualify through rookie race, he won't be included in Rookie Championship even if he joins all races. The risk is to overestimate/underestimate some players, but I guess it's the most fair system.
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Example: if Whiplash decides to skip Pre-Qualifying and to qualify through rookie race, he won't be included in Rookie Championship even if he joins all races. The risk is to overestimate/underestimate some players, but I guess it's the most fair system.
I added all players subscribed so far, if you don't find yourself in Quali Standings, please post here!
Sad to say this, but, in fact, I'm out of this league.
Terra Demo Server with 3 tracks and a lot of cars was less boring than this qualiwanking system.
On a single track I can do 40 laps the first day, 30 the second day, then stop! It makes me sick. I want to race, not to do this.
It's obvious my speed is not enough to qualify myself with only few laps, so... it's possible sometimes I'll join rookie race, but my interest is for unreleased tracks.
I hope you think to some NOWANKING quali method for next league.
Have a nice league!
Terra Demo Server with 3 tracks and a lot of cars was less boring than this qualiwanking system.
On a single track I can do 40 laps the first day, 30 the second day, then stop! It makes me sick. I want to race, not to do this.
It's obvious my speed is not enough to qualify myself with only few laps, so... it's possible sometimes I'll join rookie race, but my interest is for unreleased tracks.
I hope you think to some NOWANKING quali method for next league.
Have a nice league!
I respect your opinion, but I think you are a bit to hard on yourself here Lux. 
All the options are available to have fun, and even if you don't like wanking, you have the rookie race as backdoor. Either way, you have the skills to compete with everyone.
But also... Please don't forget that this is "THE" F1 league! Were people like for instance me, try to get the best out of themselfs!
F1 stands for the best, and that what this league is all about. Only to be a part of it is an honour itself. You drive with the best players of the game. Every overtake in these races are to me more important then 20 full contact race wins.
Since this league should represent the best and most motivated people... (which are in there way inspiration for new players) This type of qualifying method is the most fair way for all.
I am sorry to hear that one of the players I always had awsome battles with now desides to step out.
This league has so much fun into it, just look how many new people it attracts every time. All those people enjoying improving there skills competing with the best.
The fun and joy getting in the main event, because there hard work get's rewarded in the closing minutes of the wanking quali with there all or nothing best laps. Or there awsome race in the rookie session. It's priceless!
Please reconsider your departure.
The F1 League is much more then just a race on Sunday evening. Keep that in mind and be part of it! I am sure you will have fun!
All the options are available to have fun, and even if you don't like wanking, you have the rookie race as backdoor. Either way, you have the skills to compete with everyone.
But also... Please don't forget that this is "THE" F1 league! Were people like for instance me, try to get the best out of themselfs!
F1 stands for the best, and that what this league is all about. Only to be a part of it is an honour itself. You drive with the best players of the game. Every overtake in these races are to me more important then 20 full contact race wins.
Since this league should represent the best and most motivated people... (which are in there way inspiration for new players) This type of qualifying method is the most fair way for all.
I am sorry to hear that one of the players I always had awsome battles with now desides to step out.
This league has so much fun into it, just look how many new people it attracts every time. All those people enjoying improving there skills competing with the best.
The fun and joy getting in the main event, because there hard work get's rewarded in the closing minutes of the wanking quali with there all or nothing best laps. Or there awsome race in the rookie session. It's priceless!
Please reconsider your departure.
The F1 League is much more then just a race on Sunday evening. Keep that in mind and be part of it! I am sure you will have fun!
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Yeah sure... One nice beef to dede in FC is more important than the whole F1 championship. No wonder he stays out of there...GR8Arjen wrote:Every overtake in these races are to me more important then 20 full contact race wins.
I'm never going to qualify to race with this method but it's fine. I don't think anyone will miss me anyway
GR8Arjen wrote:All the options are available to have fun, and even if you don't like wanking, you have the rookie race as backdoor. Either way, you have the skills to compete with everyone.
Which is a bit easier when all the others haven't wanked 10k laps.
But also... Please don't forget that this is "THE" F1 league! Were people like for instance me, try to get the best out of themselfs!
F1 stands for the best, and that what this league is all about. Only to be a part of it is an honour itself. You drive with the best players of the game.
And?
Every overtake in these races are to me more important then 20 full contact race wins.
...
Since this league should represent the best and most motivated people... (which are in there way inspiration for new players) This type of qualifying method is the most fair way for all.
It really does bother me when you say wanking is fair. Sure it's fair for dede and Tijny who will get a top10 time on their first run and Flyguys who will never get into the pro race anyway. But is it fair to the 30-year-old dad of 2 who works 10 hours per day when he has to go against Wippe who wanks at least 10 hours per day?
This league has so much fun into it, just look how many new people it attracts every time.
It's easy for players to enter the server list and go "Look, 10 people there, nobody in FC. I'll go there," and drive a race or 2 and get bored out of their mind. They'll never race even in the rookie race. If that's your definition of attracting new people...
All those people enjoying improving there skills competing with the best.
And lux who clearly isn't (and he isn't alone..)
The F1 League is much more then just a race on Sunday evening.
Is it too much more? 70 hours of wank? Even 10 hours of wank?
Del wrote:GR8Arjen wrote:All the options are available to have fun, and even if you don't like wanking, you have the rookie race as backdoor. Either way, you have the skills to compete with everyone.
Which is a bit easier when all the others haven't wanked 10k laps.
Easier.... There you go...
How many laps did you did in your entire TS career compared to the new players that most likely will compete in the rookie race... What is challanging about easy? You now sound like a person that wants to be in no matter what... Not because of high motivation, but because of you think you deserve it being a veteran player. Come on man, please!
But also... Please don't forget that this is "THE" F1 league! Were people like for instance me, try to get the best out of themselfs!
F1 stands for the best, and that what this league is all about. Only to be a part of it is an honour itself. You drive with the best players of the game.
And?
And??? Well aparantly it means nothing to you, but to others it means something. It's just a way of opinion.
Every overtake in these races are to me more important then 20 full contact race wins.
...
It is because I prefer close and clean fights.
Since this league should represent the best and most motivated people... (which are in there way inspiration for new players) This type of qualifying method is the most fair way for all.
It really does bother me when you say wanking is fair. Sure it's fair for dede and Tijny who will get a top10 time on their first run and Flyguys who will never get into the pro race anyway. But is it fair to the 30-year-old dad of 2 who works 10 hours per day when he has to go against Wippe who wanks at least 10 hours per day?
Can you over exaggerate this just a tiny bit more, just for the fun of it?
I do agree, that a person that has more time then someone that has less, has the advantage. But taking in consideration all the ups and downs of other systems, this one is by far the best one.
Even if we would limit the wanking time to say three 1 hour sessions devided in the week prior to the race People will be more likely to be conflicted with there personal agenda's.
The way it is now, with a 24/7 open server to give it your best shot, is the best compromise available. Perhaps the option (if possible to apply in the server) to limit the max number of attempts would be a good sollution which I think would be one you would like. (A total max of for instance 60 laps within the server, after those you will be kicked out of the server or something and can not improve your time anymore)
This league has so much fun into it, just look how many new people it attracts every time.
It's easy for players to enter the server list and go "Look, 10 people there, nobody in FC. I'll go there," and drive a race or 2 and get bored out of their mind. They'll never race even in the rookie race. If that's your definition of attracting new people...
People truely interested in the car, and competition will stick around, Do we want all those others, that like to bash cars in FC? My answer would be NO!
Motivated people are the best competitors, and will be able to grow into great players if they are given time, tips and a nice atmosphere by us veteren players. No new players will eventualy lead to no more TS in the future, ot athleast no more F1 league. Thus is it important to keep new players in, and support them as much as possible.
All those people enjoying improving there skills competing with the best.
And lux who clearly isn't (and he isn't alone..)
I am sorry, but in this world or even in this competition, not everybody can be pleased to the fullest. It is those, that take there losses in such situations, and make the best of it, are the ones that likely earn much more respect then the ones that throw in the towel.
The F1 League is much more then just a race on Sunday evening.
Is it too much more? 70 hours of wank? Even 10 hours of wank?
No, it is a special event, which I am gladly part of.
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Argh .. too much of text, I will read it tommorow all in details.
So, idea is this:
If 1st place in Rookie race is equal to dunno, 16th place in Pro race, then 25 points in rookie race (rookie also has 25-22-20-18- points system, but coefficient that I'll explain now), is like 5 points in Pro race.
That makes our Coefficient. 5 points/25points = 0.02
So, if someone is for example 6th in Rookie race, that is 15 points (race points) * 0.02 = 0.3 points in overall league standings.
Maybe it looks complicated, but I think that we had this system last year.
And I think I'll have to work with coefficient, make few calculations (last time I was thinking about it was last time I wanked on server).
Main thing on my mind was to equal places in Pro and Rookie race. That will make connection (in points) between Pro and Rookie races (in points), and it will be a lot easier to calculate all and keep same standard for points (25-22-20-18-16-etc.)
+ I can do separately Rookie and Pro races, and Overall. And I think it would be fair (at least, fair enough) for all.
I came home now, but tomorrow I'll be back home in the after noon. So I'll do some calculations, and I'll tell you everything so we can have all ready for Sunday.
ps. I know that this post is similar to ideas above. I liked last years standings, and I'll try to tell organizators to do the same this year.
Afterall, I'm the one how does stats, I can do whatever you want
So, idea is this:
If 1st place in Rookie race is equal to dunno, 16th place in Pro race, then 25 points in rookie race (rookie also has 25-22-20-18- points system, but coefficient that I'll explain now), is like 5 points in Pro race.
That makes our Coefficient. 5 points/25points = 0.02
So, if someone is for example 6th in Rookie race, that is 15 points (race points) * 0.02 = 0.3 points in overall league standings.
Maybe it looks complicated, but I think that we had this system last year.
And I think I'll have to work with coefficient, make few calculations (last time I was thinking about it was last time I wanked on server).
Main thing on my mind was to equal places in Pro and Rookie race. That will make connection (in points) between Pro and Rookie races (in points), and it will be a lot easier to calculate all and keep same standard for points (25-22-20-18-16-etc.)
+ I can do separately Rookie and Pro races, and Overall. And I think it would be fair (at least, fair enough) for all.
I came home now, but tomorrow I'll be back home in the after noon. So I'll do some calculations, and I'll tell you everything so we can have all ready for Sunday.
ps. I know that this post is similar to ideas above. I liked last years standings, and I'll try to tell organizators to do the same this year.
Afterall, I'm the one how does stats, I can do whatever you want
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I'm a moron \o/
I did not say that I don't want to race.GR8Arjen wrote:Please reconsider your departure.
I only said that, since I'm not able to qualify myself by driving few laps, i will be, in fact, out.
Rookie race is not an option.
19CET it's not a good time for me and even if I will race and will gain a spot for prorace, i will probably not start because one TS-long-event/day it's enough for me.
As you said, F1 is for "the best" players (and for those that want to become "the best") and I'm not one of them (both categories
)I only need some relax time.
EDIT: the point is that unreleased tracks are made to give the same chances to all players. Unluckily, to access the race you have to fight against real wankers.
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Reirom says "Nothing am easy".dede wrote:Well, Jay, it's up to you then! If it's not too complicated, let's make it!semir wrote:So, my vote goes for last year point system.
I'll say "Nothing am too complicated".
I can do it manually if needed
ps.
I read it all now.
I'll post my idea and all thing (I'll take in consider as much posts as I can) tomorrow afternoon. I hope that idea will be ok and fair enough. I still have few things to calculate before I can give you full image, so I'll go to sleep, and tell you all tomorrow.
o/
I'm a moron \o/
Well, the words you chose made me think you realy were out.lux2 wrote:I did not say that I don't want to race.GR8Arjen wrote:Please reconsider your departure.
I only said that, since I'm not able to qualify myself by driving few laps, i will be, in fact, out.
Rookie race is not an option.
19CET it's not a good time for me and even if I will race and will gain a spot for prorace, i will probably not start because one TS-long-event/day it's enough for me.
As you said, F1 is for "the best" players (and for those that want to become "the best") and I'm not one of them (both categories
I only need some relax time.
EDIT: the point is that unreleased tracks are made to give the same chances to all players. Unluckily, to access the race you have to fight against real wankers.
But I have a question, what is different for you now then last year. You were if I recall corectly in like all main events?
Why are you doubting your pace? You are a very good player, don't ever forget that.
About your decision making point... I understand it, but I know your good enough to get in like you did last year. ,mmmmmmm
@Wippe: Big surprise..GR8Arjen wrote:How many laps did you did in your entire TS career compared to the new players that most likely will compete in the rookie race... What is challanging about easy? You now sound like a person that wants to be in no matter what... Not because of high motivation, but because of you think you deserve it being a veteran player. Come on man, please!
Is wanking 70 hours per week worth getting into a 40-minute event? Why could we not have some other method of pre-qualifying? Sign-up order just like any other thing ever? I'd like to be in, I'm no veteran player, I most likely won't be in the pro races ever.
It is because I prefer close and clean fights.
dede domination? Pom+Pingu? Close and clean...
I do agree, that a person that has more time then someone that has less, has the advantage. But taking in consideration all the ups and downs of other systems, this one is by far the best one.
And what's wrong with sign-up order? Which other systems have you considered?
The way it is now, with a 24/7 open server to give it your best shot, is the best compromise available. Perhaps the option (if possible to apply in the server) to limit the max number of attempts would be a good sollution which I think would be one you would like. (A total max of for instance 60 laps within the server, after those you will be kicked out of the server or something and can not improve your time anymore)
To have Wippe wank 70 hours offline and then drive the 60 laps on Sunday...
People truely interested in the car, and competition will stick around, Do we want all those others, that like to bash cars in FC? My answer would be NO!
But will they stick around when they effectively have no chance of racing against the pros (in F1) for the first few tries? Do we want all the FC people to leave the community? No.
If we get couple of more subscriptions, the cut will be made at 16, 17 or 18.
Rookie race is meant to be a way to learn the car & the game, so it makes sense to me if they drive with a released & wanked track. Actually rookie race does NOT mean "shit race", in fact in last edition we had very tight battles and a great competition.
Rookie race is meant to be a way to learn the car & the game, so it makes sense to me if they drive with a released & wanked track. Actually rookie race does NOT mean "shit race", in fact in last edition we had very tight battles and a great competition.
I really did not like everything in last season.GR8Arjen wrote:But I have a question, what is different for you now then last year. You were if I recall corectly in like all main events?
I qualified for all races, but for doing that I had to try much more than I wanted. I mean that I played no longer for fun but for some kind of "mission". A NONSENSE mission!
Then with the sickness about the track, the races were all boring.
I skipped two because I discovered during WW that it was not fun play on them, and I raced all the final races starting with fuel for 0 pit because I had no interest in the race.
So, last season matches exactly what I don't like.
I would like to have prequali quick or, at least, not boring.
For example:
- 2 quick sessions (2 server like ihlc) before the main race (instead of rookie race) on a random released track. First 20 -> prorace. All other nothing or a rookie race same track as pro) on another server.
- OK to free spot based on previous race or championship standings
- Otherwise, a kind of WW based on 10 tracks (fuel could be on) and considering the whole racetime. Ghost on. In this way you will not have a boring wanking but real races. There's the problem of the first lap conditioned by the grid order, but I think it's possible to adjust it adding a costant time for each different startposition.
- Maybe there are other better ideas.
Everybody has a little wanker inside, but for some people there is "limit". My one is around 20 laps. Other seems to have no limits.
To play over this this limit makes TS, not only qualiwanking, boring and sickning.
However... we'll see.
This could actually be a very good option! Everything could start at 21:00 CET, two servers with centralized statistics (just like IHLC). The real problem would be to switch players between those two servers, but we could assign players to servers basing on their skills, so that changes will be limited.lux2 wrote: - 2 quick sessions (2 server like ihlc) before the main race (instead of rookie race) on a random released track. First 20 -> prorace. All other nothing or a rookie race same track as pro) on another server.
Everything remains like it is now at least for first race, but if most of you agree (and if scripts allow it) we could think to use this new qualifying method for next race!
I support the idea but why would you have to sort out players between servers? Ghost wanky (it could even be total time... You have 8 laps, total time (or 3 best laps) counts) and no need to sort players.dede wrote:This could actually be a very good option! Everything could start at 21:00 CET, two servers with centralized statistics (just like IHLC). The real problem would be to switch players between those two servers, but we could assign players to servers basing on their skills, so that changes will be limited.