New cup sistem

[wazaari]

Hello everyone...
A dude asked me if is possible to organise this tipe of cup:

Autoserver up in the weekend and a track avaible for training,
Everyone has to do 1 SINGLE attemp in my server.

Problems will be these:
- People will surely do more than 1 attemp
- I have to look logs manually? (i dont want to spend hours for it)
- There is a way to ban people after their 1st attemp?

[Mike Nike]

Depending on the autoserver (TS version 1.08W running at his own PC?) you could write a script, which would run parallel to the autoserver.
Script short explained (for a more dynamic system, in the case that 2-x attempts are allowed):
- Scanning logfile (IPs and their nicks, in best case detecting/allowing >=2 players with 1 IP...when they drive at the same time - with >=2 attempts though they probably have to driver the other attempts together too to avoid 1 driver faking the other driver etc.)
- Adding IPs into an array/database, including their race result
- Sorting result into result database, giving a message with statistics about ranking, if wanted by the cup organizer
- After cuprestart or raceend: check if it was the drivers last attempt: if yes, the bancommand with the right parameters will be executed (how to execute a command via script is something special i skip to explain here)

Contact me in the next days via pm in the case you are interested about other details - all i can say now: i am able to write such a tool relative fast, but the bigger problem will be to get my old development environment back (problem i have since a longer while allready).

[dede]

Or.. just add player, ip, laptime into the database after each attempt, and then group by player/ip and display the older attempt.

[Hengari]

Might be interesting to determine who is the luckiest driver of TS.

It sure isn't me

[Hengari]

Hmmm, I quoted mikko's post and my reply got before mikko's post because I see his post's timestamp is "Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:08 am" and today it sure is Oct 10

[diesel 999]

I like that new system very much!
Strange thing or happenstance - I thought and shared about idea like yours with one man (no dede or Waza ) a week ago...
Anyway,here is my suggestions:
-1 attempt only , that is no doubt! (original cup status)
-laps x<100
-ghost race
-default cars
-results/points in single and teams categories after each cup (summary etc)
-would be nice to see brand new/clear tracks from trackmakers,before they post track in this forum.
-launch autoserver every week for whole weekend.

Btw, what will be the name of this cup?
Thank you and good luck.

[dede]

However, I don't see the point of this cup: people will have the possibility to wank locally, so it won't be fair at all (it will be like the current DIT competition: someone will do 50 laps/car and someone 1 billion per car). If the goal of this competition is to establish the best players for each car, then let's have a competition like the old ones in SIT's (15/30 laps per car, all in one night and online, in a brand new track).

[dede]

Well I agree with mikko. With 1 single attempt and 1 single lap everything is linked to luck: lag/warps/get stucked getting 1 corner too tight... In order to make a good lap you need to drive as close as possible -> means crash. This will probably kill the semi-fast guys who will try to win (not the top players/Tijny). Result? Winner: Tijny or some lucky arse.

If you want to proove who is the best, then just organise a new cup like old ones, with a brand new track.

[Limp-pu]

I like the idea. I never liked the DIT because it reguires a lot of time to achieve good results. With this system, one lap doesn't take much time, and pressure is big( which is good). I want to see this happen. Of course only one tournament like this doesn't tell much about who is best and who's not, but is that really important? I play to have fun, not to beat others. Many cups like this maybe reveals something about skills of players in one lap, if the points of individual cups is summed. Therefore this should be many race-tournament.

How to prevent cheating? when a player comes to server and makes his first try, then he downloads the track. afterwards he can send the track to a friend who can then wanks offline before making his first and only attemp. So... for this system to be realised, we would need Ande to make miracles. (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm drunk now so i migth speak stupid)

[Limp-pu]

hmmm. i had an idea. spank me if i speak stupid, I'm drunk now...
anyway. There could be cup like this:

First there will be autoserver. In autoserver everyone can race as much as they want. no results will be gathered. Idea of this is only that people will get familiar with the track, and that people can have fun in server. ghost could be off, so people could race on the server, because one lap isnt so important.

Then there will be race-server, where everyone can make one attemp, which will determine the winner... and loser... and everyone between.

With this system everyone has a change to get to know the track, but the number of laps isnt so importants as its is in DIT. or something...

oink

[wazaari]

Depending on the autoserver (TS version 1.08W running at his own PC?) you could write a script, which would run parallel to the autoserver.
Script short explained (for a more dynamic system, in the case that 2-x attempts are allowed):
- Scanning logfile (IPs and their nicks, in best case detecting/allowing >=2 players with 1 IP...when they drive at the same time - with >=2 attempts though they probably have to driver the other attempts together too to avoid 1 driver faking the other driver etc.)
- Adding IPs into an array/database, including their race result
- Sorting result into result database, giving a message with statistics about ranking, if wanted by the cup organizer
- After cuprestart or raceend: check if it was the drivers last attempt: if yes, the bancommand with the right parameters will be executed (how to execute a command via script is something special i skip to explain here)

Contact me in the next days via pm in the case you are interested about other details - all i can say now: i am able to write such a tool relative fast, but the bigger problem will be to get my old development environment back (problem i have since a longer while allready).

all you wrote is very interesting, unfortunatly i understood 1% of it
But if you have a metod to help me it would be WOOOOOOOOO

[wazaari]

However, I don't see the point of this cup: people will have the possibility to wank locally, so it won't be fair at all (it will be like the current DIT competition: someone will do 50 laps/car and someone 1 billion per car). If the goal of this competition is to establish the best players for each car, then let's have a competition like the old ones in SIT's (15/30 laps per car, all in one night and online, in a brand new track).

i explained to you yesterday....maybe you were sleeping...
anyway this cup is the opposite of DIT.
you can wank 3000 hours, but then you have to make a time in 1 SINGOL ATTEMP!!!!
it isn t hard ....you have to show all your ability in 1 lap .
it is quite fair for all, sure everyone can win without wanking all days

[Tijny]

One single lap?

(that's all I have to say to this)

[mikko]

you can wank 3000 hours, but then you have to make a time in 1 SINGOL ATTEMP!!!!

Having wanked for 3000 hours it might be "quite" frustrating to crash at the first corner of the single attempt.
Yes, this cup would be the opposite of DIT, also in the way that skills has only very little to do with the standings. The keyword here is "luck". But on a second note, I do not see anything bad in that, on the contrary, this gives a chance for anyone to win. Might be interesting to determine who is the luckiest driver of TS.

[wazaari]

hmmm. i had an idea. spank me if i speak stupid, I'm drunk now...
anyway. There could be cup like this:

First there will be autoserver. In autoserver everyone can race as much as they want. no results will be gathered. Idea of this is only that people will get familiar with the track, and that people can have fun in server. ghost could be off, so people could race on the server, because one lap isnt so important.

Then there will be race-server, where everyone can make one attemp, which will determine the winner... and loser... and everyone between.

With this system everyone has a change to get to know the track, but the number of laps isnt so importants as its is in DIT. or something...

oink

it is exactly what i will do as soon as i ll be able to decode log text....

[wazaari]

Well I agree with mikko. With 1 single attempt and 1 single lap everything is linked to luck: lag/warps/get stucked getting 1 corner too tight... In order to make a good lap you need to drive as close as possible -> means crash. This will probably kill the semi-fast guys who will try to win (not the top players/Tijny). Result? Winner: Tijny or some lucky arse.

If you want to proove who is the best, then just organise a new cup like old ones, with a brand new track.

Tijny is the best in 1 single lap??
Off course not!!!!

Anyway to make a fast lap first of all you need to not bump....if you bump it means you are a noob

[dede]

Anyway to make a fast lap first of all you need to not bump....if you bump it means you are a noob

Well, now I understand why you don't have fast times in any track.

[wazaari]

Anyway to make a fast lap first of all you need to not bump....if you bump it means you are a noob

Well, now I understand why you don't have fast times in any track.

Yes!! because i don t like wanking!!!

[mikko]

Many cups like this maybe reveals something about skills of players in one lap, if the points of individual cups is summed. Therefore this should be many race-tournament.

Yes, exactly. As a tournament this would make much more sense. Whereas luck would dominate in a single cup, skills and tactics would have a significant role in a tournament. One could play safe, avoiding crashes, to gather points from each cup. This would unlikely yield top positions from individual cups (unless you are Tijny) but might be the best tactics for winning the tournament. Alternatively one could go all out and either crash (probable) or not. This would likely yield top positions from individual cups but might not be the best tactics for winning the tournament. These are, of course just the two extremes of possible tactics.

[mikko]

- People will surely do more than 1 attemp
- I have to look logs manually? (i dont want to spend hours for it)
- There is a way to ban people after their 1st attemp?

I can't see any problem here (or perhaps I just don't understand it). One could be allowed to make many attempts but only the first attempt counts. I'd guess it would not be difficult and time consuming to sort the results by driver and date/time?

[[Swoot]Prazene]

this cup is a my idea!
i asked waz to organise it because i am new